Solve 2D Asteroid Problem: Step-by-Step Guide

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the future position of an asteroid passing near a planet, given its initial velocity and position. The context is rooted in gravitational physics, specifically addressing the motion of celestial bodies under gravitational influence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevance of Kepler's Laws and universal gravitation in solving the problem. There are questions about the appropriate equations to use for orbital motion and the need for a comprehensive formula rather than a single result. Some express uncertainty about their familiarity with the underlying physics concepts.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering guidance on potential approaches, such as using Newton's law of universal gravitation and considering force components. There is a recognition of the need for a more basic explanation to aid understanding, particularly for those less familiar with the subject.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge posed by the complexity of the physics involved and the original poster's limited recent experience with the subject matter. There is an emphasis on deriving a formula for the asteroid's position rather than obtaining a specific numerical answer.

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Homework Statement
An asteroid passes next to a planet with mass m, and position (0, 0). The asteroid has an initial velocity (Vx, Vy) and a starting position (Px, Py). Considering that gravitational constant is 1, and ignoring the size of both objects, get the formula to calculate the asteroid position in the future.
Relevant Equations
x = V0x * t
y = V0y * t + 1/2 * g * t^2
Hi everyone! I don't know how to solve the next problem, and if anyone could explain to me step by step how it is solved I would thank you a lot. I know it's not hard, but I'm not seeing how to do it. Thank you in advance!
 
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PolVD said:
Homework Statement:: An asteroid passes next to a planet with mass m, and position (0, 0). The asteroid has an initial velocity (Vx, Vy) and a starting position (Px, Py). Considering that gravitational constant is 1, and ignoring the size of both objects, get the formula to calculate the asteroid position in the future.
Relevant Equations:: x = V0x * t
y = V0y * t + 1/2 * g * t^2

Hi everyone! I don't know how to solve the next problem, and if anyone could explain to me step by step how it is solved I would thank you a lot. I know it's not hard, but I'm not seeing how to do it. Thank you in advance!
Welcome to PF. :smile:

Are you familiar with Kepler's Laws? Since they are asking about an asteroid (and not a ball thrown on the surface of the planet), I'm guessing they want you to use the equations for orbital motion...

https://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Smotion.htm
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to PF. :smile:

Are you familiar with Kepler's Laws? Since they are asking about an asteroid (and not a ball thrown on the surface of the planet), I'm guessing they want you to use the equations for orbital motion...

https://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Smotion.htm

Actually, I'm not super familiar with physics in general. I'm taking a look at the page you send to me but it is super overwhelming. Are you 100% sure it should go that way? In that case, I would thank a more basic explanation since I have to get the whole formula to get the asteroid position and no a single result. I haven't done any physics in about 10 years. Thanks!

I asked that same question to another forum and this was the thread... But I didn't get any clear answer... That's why I'm here asking too.
 
Hi. I think if you are talking about "asteroids" and "planets", you should start with universal gravitation.

Newton's law of universal gravitation: $$\vec{F} = \frac{GMm}{r^3}\vec{r},$$ where ##\vec{r}## is the position vector (the position of asteroid in this question). ##r## is the distance between the asteroid and planet.

If the gravitational constant is 1, maybe you can define $$G=1,$$ hence $$\vec{F} = \frac{Mm}{r^3}\vec{r}.$$
Then you just need to consider the force components on x and y-axis and use Newton's 2nd law to solve it. (You only need to use the x and y coordinates of forces and acceleration)
 

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