Uncovering the Mystery of the Lambert W-Function in Solving Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 4^{x+1} - 4^{(1/2)x + 1} - 2^x + 1 = 0. Initially, attempts to simplify the equation using various methods, including substitution and numerical solutions, were unsuccessful. The user discovered two roots numerically but struggled with the complexity introduced by the 1/x exponent. After realizing the problem stemmed from a misinterpretation of the original question, a corrected version of the equation was presented, which proved easier to solve. The experience led to a newfound understanding of the Lambert W-function.
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tried to divide the equation by 4^x and other attemptions, but they didn't work
supposing y = 1/2x didn't either work
 

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I don't really see a way to solve this mathematically.

Numerically I get 2 roots:
  1. -0.819769544935445
  2. 0.729714973623184
but they don't look like anything recognizable.
 
4^{x+1}- 4^{1/(2x)+ 1}- 2^x+ 1= 0
Can be simplified by observing that 4^{x+1}= 4(4^x)= 4((2^2)^x)= 4((2^x)^2) and that 4^{1/(2x)+ 1}= 4(4^{1/2x})= 4((2^2)^{1/2x})= 4(2^{1/x})

But it is that 1/x exponent that causes trouble.
 
Mathematica says the equation reduces to this:

2^(2 + 1/x) == 1 +( 7) 2^x

It still has that pesky 1/x.
 
Forgive me! please,, I was given the question wrong!
A little modification makes it so much easier that I solved it

<br /> 4^{x+1}- 4^{(1/2)x + 1}- 2^x + 1= 0<br />

This mistake was about to kill me!
I'm sorry
It's solved now, thanks!
 
Mohammad_93 said:
Forgive me! please,, I was given the question wrong!
A little modification makes it so much easier that I solved it

<br /> 4^{x+1}- 4^{(1/2)x + 1}- 2^x + 1= 0<br />

This mistake was about to kill me!
I'm sorry
It's solved now, thanks!

Yes, that is a bit easier! :lol:

But the time was not wasted, I've learned a lot about the Lambert W-function, which I never heard of before this. :cool:
 
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