Solve Integral Using Substitution: Integral Question with Example

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the integral \(\int_{-a}^{0} y^{2} (1- \frac{y^{3}}{a^{2}})^{-2} dy\) using substitution methods. Participants explore different substitution strategies and their implications on the integral's evaluation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests substituting \(u = y^3\) for the integral.
  • Another participant proposes using \(u = 1 - \frac{y^3}{a^2}\) instead, arguing it may simplify the integral.
  • Concerns are raised about the cancellation of \(y^2\) when using \(u = y^3\), with a suggestion that it could lead to a simpler form of the integral.
  • A participant notes that using \(u = 1 - \frac{y^3}{a^2}\) leads to a different expression for \(du\) and suggests it may be easier to work with.
  • There is a reminder about the importance of adjusting the limits of integration when performing substitutions, highlighting that the limits for \(y\) must be correctly transformed to limits for \(u\).
  • One participant emphasizes the need to remember the new boundaries after substitution, indicating a common oversight in such problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best substitution method to use, with no consensus reached on a single approach. There is acknowledgment of the importance of correctly handling limits of integration, but various methods are proposed without agreement on which is superior.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need to carefully consider the implications of their chosen substitution on the limits of integration and the resulting expressions, indicating potential complexities in the evaluation process.

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Need to solve this using substitution:

[tex]\int[/tex][tex]^{0}[/tex] y[tex]^{2}[/tex] (1- [tex]\frac{y^{3}}{a^{2}}[/tex])[tex]^{-2}[/tex] dy
[tex]_{-a}[/tex]

This is my first post so I'm not that good with the LaTeX code yet, but I hope you can read it correctly. I was thinking about substituting u for y^3. What do you guys think? Thanks
 
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[tex]\int_{-a} ^{0} y^2(1-\frac{y^3}{a^2})^{-2} dy[/tex]


instead of u=y^3 why not let u=1-[itex]\frac{y^3}{a^2}[/itex]?
 
You set it up right.

Hmm... If y^3 is used, can't that be used later to cancel out y^2?
 
Ravenatic20 said:
You set it up right.

Hmm... If y^3 is used, can't that be used later to cancel out y^2?

If you let u=y^3 the y^2 will cancel out but you will be left with

[tex]\int \frac{1}{3}(1-\frac{u}{a^2})^{-2} du[/tex]
 
Yea that's what I got, so the y's are out. The 1/3 is constant so that comes out. The tricky part here is the ^-2. Ideas?
 
but if you use [tex]1-\frac{y^3}{a^2}[/tex] like suggested, you get

[tex]du = - \frac{y^2}{3 a^2} dx[/tex]

so

[tex]\int y^2 (1-\frac{y^3}{a^2}) dx =- 3 a^2 \int \frac{1}{u^2} du[/tex]

this is a bit easier
 
That works too, but you guys are forgetting the -a to 0 part.
 
Ravenatic20 said:
That works too, but you guys are forgetting the -a to 0 part.
Putting back the 0 to -a with a u substitution is wrong, since 0 and -a are the limits for y not u.

If the OP wanted to put back limits,this would have to be done

[tex]u=1-\frac{y^3}{a^2}[/tex]

y=0;u=1
y=-a;u=1+a

so that

[tex]\int_{-a} ^{0} y^2(1-\frac{y^3}{a^2})^{-2} dy \equiv \frac{-a^2}{3} \int_{1+a} ^{1} u^{-2} du[/tex]
 
yes, always remeber the new boundaries ;-)
 

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