Solve physics problem using trigonometry knowing what are you doing

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving trigonometry, specifically focusing on the relationship between angles and heights in a scenario depicted in an image. Participants are trying to understand the derivation of a specific equation related to height.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definitions of various points in the problem, such as A, B, C, and H, and how they relate to the overall height from the floor. There are discussions about the geometry of the triangles involved and the implications of the lowest potential energy level.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the definitions and assumptions made in the problem setup. Some have offered insights into the geometric relationships, while others express concerns about the accuracy of the provided information and its implications for the physics involved.

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There are indications that the problem may have inconsistencies regarding the definitions of height and potential energy reference points, which are under scrutiny by participants.

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Homework Statement


http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3053/ph1d.png


How does he get y_i=R-Rcos(theta)?

The Attempt at a Solution


if we get two triangles HBC and AHC, Rcos(theta)=AH, AB=AH+BH and AB-BH=AH=y_i.
 
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What are A, B, C and H? Also, what is the total height from the floor to the top of the rope?
 
What is the lowest level the actor can go?
This level is zero PE reference.
 
AHC and HBC are two triangles that we get if we draw a line from the bottom of R to the floor and by the cosine theorem we get y_i=AB-BH,
there isn't the total height.
 
Lowest level is R from top when θ=0°.
At yi, from top is Rcosθ
mgh=1/2mv2
h=R-Rcosθ

v2f=2g(R-Rcosθ)
 
If [itex]y_i[/itex] is really defined as the distance from the floor to the end of rope of length [itex]R[/itex] hanging from an UNKNOWN height, then the text is incorrect, [itex]y_i[/itex] cannot be given any value FROM THE GEOMETRY of the problem, it is just undefined.

If it is defined FROM THE PHYSICS of the problem, then it should be defined as height from the lowest possible point, then it is what is given in the text. But the picture is INCORRECT in this case, unless the lowest point is the floor - which makes the subsequent determination of the force incorrect.
 

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