Solve Smallest Value of Ms for Ladder Equilibrium

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The discussion focuses on determining the smallest value of the coefficient of static friction (Ms) required for a ladder in equilibrium against a wall, given its dimensions and a static friction coefficient of zero at one point. The initial calculations led to an incorrect value of Ms, which was later corrected by considering the moment of the frictional force at the base of the ladder. The correct approach involved recognizing that the normal force at point A is perpendicular to the ground and that maximum static friction acts towards the wall during slipping. After addressing the oversight in the moment calculations, the correct value of Ms was confirmed as .208. The discussion highlights the importance of including all forces in equilibrium calculations for accurate results.
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So there is a ladder leaning against the wall. its a 2.5 (base), 6 (height), 6.5 (hyp) triangle. the coefficient of static friction is zero at B (corner of 6 & 6.5). we need to determine the smallest value of Ms at A (corner of 2.5 & 6.5) for which equilibrium will be maintained.

They do not give me weight. just dimensions.

I started taking the moment from the middle of the hyp using the Normals at the points as the vectors:

M=0= (NB)(3) - (NA)(1.25)
NA= 3/1.25 NB
where NB is the normal at B and NA is the normal at A

then summed up the forces in the x directions: (FfrA is the friction at point A)
Fx=0= FfrA - NB
NB= Ms NA

then substituted my NA from moments into my sum:

NB= Ms (3/ 1.25 NB)
divided it out and got:
Ms= .4166666

I checked out the answer in the back of the book which is .208, All I need to do is divide the number that I got by 2 and I get .208... any ideas where I went wrong? Thanks
 
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mattmannmf said:
M=0= (NB)(3) - (NA)(1.25)
NA= 3/1.25 NB
where NB is the normal at B and NA is the normal at A

if you are taking the moment around the center of mass, you forgot to take the moment
of the frictional force at the bottom. NA is perpendicular to the ground, and at the
moment of slipping, maximum static friction is directed towards the wall.
 
IssacNewton said:
if you are taking the moment around the center of mass, you forgot to take the moment
of the frictional force at the bottom. NA is perpendicular to the ground, and at the
moment of slipping, maximum static friction is directed towards the wall.

Thanks! got the right answer!
 
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