Solve the problem involving toss of a biased coin- Probability

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the probability of outcomes from tossing a biased coin, specifically focusing on the expected value and variance associated with the tosses. Participants explore concepts related to geometric distributions and variance derivation.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Von Neumann strategy for calculating expected values and variance. There is a focus on deriving variance using the formula Var(X) = E[X^2] - (E(X))^2, with some questioning the steps involved in the derivation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the derivation of variance and expected values, while others are exploring alternative methods and approaches. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with no explicit consensus reached on a single method.

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Participants note that the problem relates to a biased coin and involves assumptions about the probability of outcomes. There is mention of needing clarity on certain derivations and the implications of the geometric distribution in the context of the problem.

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This is the problem;
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My thinking on this is based on Von Neumann Strategy i.e
##e=pf+(1-p)((f+e)## where ##e##= Expected value, ##p##= Probability and ##f## = number of tosses ...in our case ##f=1##
##e=\frac{f}{p}=\frac{1}{p}## This is clear (as indicated on the left hand side of the ms -attached below).

The part that i need clarity is on the Variance derivation i.e on the right hand side of the ms solution.

I know that Variance=npq, with n=1 and q=1-p this part is clear...but i do not seem to get the highlighted part.

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I just saw the steps...one has to know the derivation though...it stems from

##Var (X)= E[X^2]-(E(X))^2##.

The derivation of Variance is as shown on the attachment below;

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From here the steps to solution is straightforward.

##Var(X)=\dfrac{1-p}{p^2}##
now in our problem we shall therefore have;

##\dfrac{1}{p}=2×\dfrac{1-p}{p^2}##

##p=2-2p##

##3p=2##

##p=\dfrac{2}{3}##

Something new i am learning here today...i can see that it all refers to the geometric distribution...for the next part of the question, it asks us to find;

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Here we shall use,

##Pr(X=i)=(1-p)^{i-1}p##

given that ##p=\frac{2}{3}##

##Pr(X=4)=\left[\frac{1}{3}\right]^{3}×\frac{2}{3}=\frac{2}{81}##

Any other alternative approach or insight is highly welcome guys.
 
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I would write <br /> p \sum_{k=1}^\infty k^2 (1-p)^{k-1} = \frac{p}{1-p} F(1-p) where <br /> F(x) = \sum_{k=0}^\infty k^2 x^k. Since multiplying by k inside the power series can be replaced by operating with x\frac{d}{dx} outside it we get <br /> \begin{split}<br /> F(x) = \left(x \frac{d}{dx}\right)^2\sum_{k=0}^\infty x^k &amp;= \left(x \frac{d}{dx}\right)^2\frac{1}{1-x} \\<br /> &amp;= \frac{x(x+1)}{(1 - x)^3}.\end{split} Thus <br /> \frac{p}{1-p}F(1-p) = \frac{p}{1-p} \frac{(1-p)(2-p)}{p^3} = \frac{2-p}{p^2} as required.
 
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Another method is to note that:
$$E(X^2) = p + (1-p)E((X+1)^2)$$$$ = p + (1-p)(E(X^2) +2E(X) + 1)$$$$ = (1-p)E(X^2) +\frac{2-p}{p}$$Hence:
$$E(X^2) = \frac {2-p}{p^2}$$Note that we can justify the "trick" in the first line using power series:
$$E(X^2) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}k^2p(1-p)^{k-1}$$$$ = p + \sum_{k=2}^{\infty}k^2p(1-p)^{k-1}$$$$=p+ (1-p)\sum_{k=2}^{\infty}k^2p(1-p)^{k-2}$$$$ = p+ (1-p)\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}(k+1)^2p(1-p)^{k-1}$$$$= p + (1-p)E((X+1)^2)$$
 
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