Solving 4-Momenta Problem for Toy Theory: A + A -> B + B

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The discussion revolves around a scattering problem in Toy Theory, specifically the reaction A + A -> B + B. Participants are tasked with demonstrating a relationship involving the 4-momenta of the particles involved, under certain mass assumptions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the inner product of 4-momenta and question the assumptions regarding the mass of the mediating particle. There is also a focus on the correct application of expressions in the center of mass (CM) frame.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the expressions involved and clarifying the context of the problem. Some have pointed out potential missing factors and the need for clearer definitions of terms used in the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific frames of reference (CM frame) and the nature of the particles involved (massive vs. massless), which may affect the calculations. The original poster's notation and assumptions are also being scrutinized for clarity.

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Homework Statement


For a scattering problem A + A - > B + B in the Toy Theory,

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(p_4-p_2)^2-m_C^2c^2=p_4^2+p_2^2-2p_4\cdot p_2 = -\vec{\textbf{p}}^2(1-\cos\theta)

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this is assuming m_A=m_B=m and m_C=0

The Attempt at a Solution


p_4^2+p_2^2=2m^2c^2

but I'm not sure how to do

p_4\cdot p_2

do i work with

\sqrt{\left( \frac{E_4^2}{c^2} - \vec{\textbf{p}}_4^2 \right) \left( \frac{E_2^2}{c^2} - \vec{\textbf{p}}_2^2 \right)}

?
 
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please mention what is mc.Also the expression so far is correct only in CM frame.also it seems that a factor of 2 is missing in p2(1-cosθ).
 
It's been awhile since I have done this problem! Have you tried,

$$
p_2 p_4 = \frac{E_2 E_4}{c^2} - \vec{p_2} \cdot \vec{p_4}
$$
 
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Terribly sorry, I should've made my question clearer. All of the ps in my post refers 4-momenta while \vec{\textbf{p}} refers to 3 momenta.

I'm working in the CM frame.

In this scattering reaction the subscripts refers to the particle in the reaction as follows: 1 + 2 -> 3 + 4

@andrien, you are right, I missed the factor 2. m_c is mass of the mediating particle in the lowest order Feynman diagram of this particular scattering reaction. In this problem, I guess it could just be ignored.

@Shinobii, does your \vec{p_2} and \vec{p_4} denote 3-momenta or 4-momenta? Both particles 2 and 4 are not massless...
 
kudoushinichi88 said:
but I'm not sure how to do

p_4\cdot p_2
well, they are both 4-vectors in minkowski spacetime. So how would you normally take the inner product? (Maybe think of a general 4-vector first, then apply it to the specific vectors you have here)
 

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