Solving a Balloon Mass Calculation: Find Minimum Gas Mass Needed

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The discussion focuses on calculating the minimum mass of gas required for a balloon to lift a given mass, incorporating the principles of buoyancy and Archimedes' principle. The key equation derived is m = Mp / (pa - pg), where Mp is the mass to be lifted, pa is atmospheric density, and pg is the gas density. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding buoyancy forces and the relationship between gas volume and mass. The original poster expresses difficulty in rearranging equations but ultimately finds a solution with assistance. The conversation highlights the application of fluid dynamics in solving buoyancy-related problems.
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Homework Statement



A balloon contains gas of density pg and is to lift a mass M, including the balloon but not the gas. Show that the minimum mass of gas required is m= Mp / (pa - pg). Where pa is Atmospheric density

Homework Equations



I assume fluid motion so
P= Po + p*h*g
Also archimedes principle Vair=Vgas could come in handy?


The Attempt at a Solution



I managed to rearrange into mpa-mpg = Mpg and then i am so stuck.

Help is needed so I can solve a question that is related to this!
 
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Hi
Buoyancy force has to be , at least

F_B=Mg+M_{gas}g

where Mgas is the mass of the gas in the balloon. If V is the volume occupied
by the gas and if \rho_g is the density of the gas,

M_{gas} = \rho_g V

Now apply Archimedes principle
 
IssacNewton said:
Hi
Buoyancy force has to be , at least

F_B=Mg+M_{gas}g

where Mgas is the mass of the gas in the balloon. If V is the volume occupied
by the gas and if \rho_g is the density of the gas,

M_{gas} = \rho_g V

Now apply Archimedes principle

I keep walking around in a circle. I convert Fb into mass atmosphere times gravity, i convert that into mass of gas times density of atmosphere over density off gas times gravity. I cancel gravity on both sides but still don't manage to get the equation needed.
 
Managed to solve it. Thanks!
 
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