Solving a Differential Equation from story problem

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The problem involves a mass-spring system where a mass weighing 2 lbs stretches a spring 6 inches. The mass is then pulled down an additional 3 inches and released, with the goal of determining the position of the mass over time using a specific mathematical form. The subject area is differential equations related to oscillatory motion.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the differential equation based on the spring constant and mass. There are attempts to apply initial conditions to find constants in the solution. Some participants express uncertainty about the initial conditions and the direction of the coordinate system.

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There is ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of the differential equation and the implications of the initial conditions. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the spring constant and the need for consistent units. The discussion is productive, with participants questioning assumptions and clarifying definitions.

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There is a noted concern about the use of inches versus feet in the calculations, as well as the interpretation of initial conditions based on the chosen coordinate system.

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Homework Statement

A mass weighing 2 lbs stretches a spring 6 inches. If the mass is then pulled down an additional 3 inches and then released, and there is no damping, determine the position u of the mass at ay time T according to the form Acos(wT-phi).


The attempt at a solution

The k of the spring is 2 lbs/ 6 inches, or 1/3 lbs/inches. The mass is 2lbs/32ft/sec^2, or 1/16.

From this I get the differential equation:
1/16U'' +1/3U = 0

Making U e^rt and skipping a few steps
1/16r^2+1/3 = 0
Using the quadratic:
r = 0+- 8 sqroot(1/12) (-1/12 actually, but it doesn't matter here.)

So: y = C1 cosine (8 sqroot(1/12)T) + C2 sine (8 sqroot(1/12)T)

The initial condition of y(0) ought to be 3, since the spring was stretched 3 inches, and y'(0) ought to be 0 since it was released not pushed, correct? (I'm suspicious of this step.)

If so, y(0) = C1 cosine (8 sqroot(1/12)T) + 0 (since the sine of 0 is 0).
And furthermore, y(0) = C1, so C1 =3.

y'(0) = [0] + C2 (8 sqroot(1/12)) cosine (8 sqroot(1/12)T)
y'(0) = C2 (8 sqroot (1/12))
0 = C2

So y=3cosine(8sqroot(1/12)T)

From this, translating to the form of A cosine (wT-phi) isn't hard:
A = (3^2)^.5 = 3
W = 8 sqroot(1/12)
And phi is tan^-1 (0/3) = 0

My solution is 3 cosine 8(sqroot(1/12))T.

Unfortunately, this is wrong. Where did I goof up?
 
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TG3 said:
Homework Statement

A mass weighing 2 lbs stretches a spring 6 inches. If the mass is then pulled down an additional 3 inches and then released, and there is no damping, determine the position u of the mass at ay time T according to the form Acos(wT-phi).


The attempt at a solution

The k of the spring is 2 lbs/ 6 inches, or 1/3 lbs/inches. The mass is 2lbs/32ft/sec^2, or 1/16.

From this I get the differential equation:
1/16U'' +1/3U = 0
There are also two initial conditions. You should state them with your differential equation.
TG3 said:
Making U e^rt and skipping a few steps
1/16r^2+1/3 = 0
Using the quadratic:
r = 0+- 8 sqroot(1/12) (-1/12 actually, but it doesn't matter here.)
Well, really it does, since it makes the difference between complex solutions for r and real solutions.

In any case,
TG3 said:
So: y = C1 cosine (8 sqroot(1/12)T) + C2 sine (8 sqroot(1/12)T)
Be consistent in your variables. The dependent variable started off as u; now it's y.

TG3 said:
The initial condition of y(0) ought to be 3, since the spring was stretched 3 inches, and y'(0) ought to be 0 since it was released not pushed, correct? (I'm suspicious of this step.)
It all depends on which direction you choose to be the positive y axis. I would be more inclined to say that y(0) = -3.
TG3 said:
If so, y(0) = C1 cosine (8 sqroot(1/12)T) + 0 (since the sine of 0 is 0).
And furthermore, y(0) = C1, so C1 =3.

y'(0) = [0] + C2 (8 sqroot(1/12)) cosine (8 sqroot(1/12)T)
y'(0) = C2 (8 sqroot (1/12))
0 = C2

So y=3cosine(8sqroot(1/12)T)

From this, translating to the form of A cosine (wT-phi) isn't hard:
A = (3^2)^.5 = 3
W = 8 sqroot(1/12)
And phi is tan^-1 (0/3) = 0

My solution is 3 cosine 8(sqroot(1/12))T.

Unfortunately, this is wrong. Where did I goof up?

It could be that the book's answer has rationalized the radical. What answer does the book give?
 
The answer given is:
.25 cos(8t)
 
Your spring constant is incorrect, which leads to an incorrect differential equation. The mass is 1/16 slug (1 slug = 32 lb/(ft/sec)^2). Your spring constant is 2lb/6 in = 4 lb/ft. The spring constant should not be in terms of inches.

All length measures, including the initial condition, should be in terms of feet, not inches.
 

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