Solving a Differential Equation: Integrating and Finding the Correct Solution

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The problem involves solving a differential equation of the form dx/dt - 2t(2x-1) = 0, with initial conditions specified at t=0 and x=0. Participants are exploring the integration process and the implications of their findings on the solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration steps and the resulting expressions, questioning the correctness of constants and the handling of absolute values in logarithmic functions. There are inquiries about the anti-derivative of specific terms and the implications of initial conditions on the constants involved.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the integration results and the values of constants. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the absolute value in logarithmic expressions. Multiple interpretations of the initial conditions and their effects on the solution are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of dealing with logarithmic functions that yield undefined values, such as ln(-1), and the implications this has on determining the constant k. The discussion reflects the constraints of the problem setup and the need for careful consideration of mathematical definitions.

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the question is to solve:
dx/dt -2t(2x-1)=0
when t=0, x=0..

I integrated and found:
ln(2x-1)=2t^2 + k
then : 2x-1 = e^2t^2 -2

then i put in the x=0 when t=0 and i found that k=-2

the solution i found is:

x= 0.5e(2t^2) - 0.5

is this correct? Thank you very much
 
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What, again, is the anti-derivative of 2t dt?
 
k is incorrect. Also, a minor thing. You want:

ln|2x-1|=2t^2 + k

Now plug in x=0 and t=0 in this equation to see what k is.

HallsofIvy said:
What, again, is the anti-derivative of 2t dt?

I thought the same thing you did, but I think he just skipped a step. If you multiply out by the 1/2 from the integral of 1/(2x-1), it works out.
 
yes i multiplied out.
If i put the conditions as it is then i have: ln(-1)=k
and this does not exist. You can't have ln(-1), right?
 
doroulla said:
yes i multiplied out.
If i put the conditions as it is then i have: ln(-1)=k
and this does not exist. You can't have ln(-1), right?

The antiderivative of 1/(2x-1) is (1/2)ln|2x-1|. Notice the absolute value, so really you get ln 1
 
i forgot about the absolute value. Thank you.

Now i get solution:
k=0
x= 0.5e2t^2 + 0.5

is this correct? :)
 
You can check this solution by plugging it back into the original differential equation.
 
doroulla said:
the question is to solve:
dx/dt -2t(2x-1)=0
when t=0, x=0..

I integrated and found:
ln(2x-1)=2t^2 + k
You were correct up to here. Integrating both sides gives (1/2)ln|2x-1|= 2t^2+ k so that ln|2x-1|= 4t^2+2k and then
2x-1= e^{4t^2+ 2k}= Ce^{4t^2}\
where C= e^{2k}[/itex]<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> then : 2x-1 = e^2t^2 -2<br /> <br /> then i put in the x=0 when t=0 and i found that k=-2<br /> <br /> the solution i found is:<br /> <br /> x= 0.5e(2t^2) - 0.5 <br /> <br /> is this correct? Thank you very much </div> </div> </blockquote>
 
when t=0 i get x=1

but when i put x=0 i get t=0


this should not make sense right?

But if i leave it as k=-2 as i found before as shown above i get x=0 when t=0. So that's is the correct solution?
 

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