Solving a Lever System: Lever Arm and Load Lengths

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a lever system involving a load that also acts as a lever. Participants explore how to calculate the effective lever arm when a load is attached and how the center of mass of the load influences the system's dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a lever system where a 3 lb load is attached to a lever arm and questions how to determine the effective length of the lever arm with the load included.
  • Another participant suggests that the center of mass of the load should be considered to determine its effect on the lever system.
  • A participant clarifies the dimensions of the lever arms and the position of the load's center of mass, proposing a calculation involving the lengths of the arms and the load.
  • There is a question about whether the center of mass should be used to determine the point of application on the lever system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the center of mass of the load is relevant to the calculations, but there is no consensus on the exact implications for the lever system or the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the load's center of mass on the lever system, and there are assumptions about the calculations that remain unverified.

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Forgive me if this is in the wrong category.

I have a product I am working out - I am a programmer and electronic engineer by trade, which didn't include a lot of work with physics principles.

I have a lever system which seems simple - but the trick is, my load is acting as a lever too. See the attached picture.

In the bottom left is my load. It is 3 lbs. I want to attach it to the end of the lever in the bottom right. My assumption has been that I would find the center mass of my load to determine how much longer my lever arm becomes with the load attached.

At the top of the picture, I sketch my 'assumed' equivalent system. I am right?

If so, is it correct that I need 46x the force on the left side of the lever to raise my 3lbs => 138lbs

Thanks in advance for the brainpower!
 

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I would like to clarify my description a little:

The load is 3lbs - the load center mass is at 32"
The unloaded lever system has a 1" arm and 14" arm on each side of the fulcrum.
The load gets attached to the end of the 14" arm (extending it)

I assume 14" (arm) + 32" (center mass) = 46" with 3lb load is the result.
 
jedi,

that doesn't help because my issue is understanding how the length of my load affects the equivalent system.

I suppose the ultimate question is - do I take the center of mass of my load to determine where on the lever system it is applied?
 
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Yes, I think you take the center of mass of your load and its distance from the axis of the arm.
 

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