Solving a Node Analysis Problem with 0.632V Voltage Source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a node analysis problem involving a circuit with a 0.632V voltage source, focusing on the behavior of current and voltage across components, particularly an inductor, at the moment the switch opens. Participants explore the implications of using node analysis versus current division and the initial conditions for the inductor's current.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the application of current division in the presence of parallel resistors, suggesting that it could complicate the analysis.
  • Others argue that nodal analysis is straightforward and avoids unnecessary complexity, despite the presence of parallel resistors.
  • There is a question regarding the assumption that di/dt = 0 at t = 0+, with some participants asserting that the inductor will maintain its initial current immediately after the switch opens.
  • One participant suggests that the solution manual may have incorrectly treated the inductor's current as constant rather than as a decaying function over time.
  • Another participant agrees that at the instant t = 0+, the current through the inductor remains the same as just before the switch opened, which is 0.126 A.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the current through the inductor at t = 0+ is equal to the current at t = 0-. However, there is disagreement regarding the treatment of di/dt and whether the solution manual's approach is correct.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for errors in the solution manual regarding the treatment of the inductor's current and voltage at the moment the switch opens. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the presence of parallel resistors and the assumptions made in the analysis.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners dealing with circuit analysis, particularly those interested in the behavior of inductors in transient conditions and the application of node analysis versus current division methods.

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Using node analysis:
ix(0-) = (v-4)/10 + v/3 + v/5 = 0
v = 0.632

ix(0-) = -v/3 = -0.211 A
I don't understand why they didn't use a current divider since there is a 5 ohm resistor in parallel with the 3 ohm. Current changes for resistors that are in parallel...

il(0-) = v/5 = -0.63/5 = 0.126A

Then when it comes to solve for v(0+) = di/dt = d(0.126)/dt = 0
How can the voltage across an inductor be zero when it's charged by the 4V source for t < 0??
 

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dwn said:

Homework Statement



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Using node analysis:
ix(0-) = (v-4)/10 + v/3 + v/5 = 0
v = 0.632

ix(0-) = -v/3 = -0.211 A
I don't understand why they didn't use a current divider since there is a 5 ohm resistor in parallel with the 3 ohm. Current changes for resistors that are in parallel...
They could have, but it would be as much or more work since you need the total current to begin with (or make a Norton equivalent out of the 4V and 10 Ω resistor and have a three leg current divider). Nodal analysis is pretty straightforward and doesn't require any electronic gymnastics to apply to the circuit as given.

il(0-) = v/5 = -0.63/5 = 0.126A

Then when it comes to solve for v(0+) = di/dt = d(0.126)/dt = 0
How can the voltage across an inductor be zero when it's charged by the 4V source for t < 0??
Why do you say that di/dt = 0?

When the switch opens the inductor starts with some initial current. The inductor will produce whatever EMF is required to try to maintain that current in the first instant. But the current will decay from there (and so will the EMF) as the resistors bleed away energy (heat).
 
gneill said:
Why do you say that di/dt = 0?

When the switch opens the inductor starts with some initial current. The inductor will produce whatever EMF is required to try to maintain that current in the first instant. But the current will decay from there (and so will the EMF) as the resistors bleed away energy (heat).

Exactly, that's what I was thinking, but the solution manual says otherwise. I think they made the error and used the constant iL(0) = 0.126A instead of the function 0.126e^(-t/tau) when trying to find vL(0+). Safe assessment?
 
dwn said:
Exactly, that's what I was thinking, but the solution manual says otherwise. I think they made the error and used the constant iL(0) = 0.126A instead of the function 0.126e^(-t/tau) when trying to find vL(0+). Safe assessment?

Dunno. But it is certainly true that for the instant t = 0+ the current will be the same as the current at t = 0-. That is, it will be 0.126 A for that instant and can be treated as a constant value for the voltage calculation at t = 0+.
 

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