Solving a Physics Problem with Friction: Directions of Forces and Torques

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a bowl and a ball, focusing on the correct application of forces and torques. The user is confused about the direction of the friction force and its impact on the torque equation, questioning whether the torque should include a negative sign. They propose that the torque equation should be I*w_dot=F*r, but the provided solution uses I*w_dot=-F*r, which alters the results. The user also notes that the angular acceleration of the ball is not correctly represented and suggests that an additional angle related to the ball's rotation is necessary for clarity. Understanding the correct sign and relationship of these variables is crucial for solving the problem accurately.
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Hi

Im trying to solve this question, and I have the solution of it in front of me, but I really can't understand why its true.

The question is this: A bowl with radius R is given, it can't move. In it there's a ball with radius r << R, and a mass m.
Find... (lots of subclauses for the question)
A picture is attached.

My question is this:
Am I mixing the directions of the forces/torques?

F is the friction force. I think the torque equation should be I*w_dot=F*r.
and the equation for the tangential direction should be ma=F-mgs*sin(theta).

However, in the solution I see here the torque equation appears with a minus sign: I*w_dot=-F*r, which obviously changes the answers of the things I need to find.

Should it be with a minus? Or without? Thank you.

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sapz said:
F is the friction force. I think the torque equation should be I*w_dot=F*r.
This doesn't look right to me at all. If we take moments about the centre of the ball, there is indeed a torque Fr anticlockwise, and it does tend to reduce theta. But ##\ddot{\theta}## is not the angular acceleration of the ball.
There should be another angle in the picture - the angle through which the ball has rotated. It is related to theta by a simple formula.
 
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