Solving an Integral Problem: e^{-x^2}

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function e^{-x^2}, specifically the expression I = ∫ e^{-x^2} dx. Participants express confusion regarding the lack of an elementary anti-derivative for this integral and the introduction of the error function, erf(x), as a means to represent the result.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss substitution methods and express uncertainty about how to approach the integral. Some question the implications of the integral's lack of an elementary solution and seek clarification on the error function. Others inquire about evaluating the integral over specific limits and the convergence of the integral from -∞ to ∞.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various attempts to understand the integral and its properties. Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the error function and the conditions under which the integral converges, while others are exploring the implications of the function being even.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific bounds for evaluating the integral and the need to determine convergence, indicating that the problem may have constraints related to limits and the behavior of the function at infinity.

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Homework Statement


Hey, just stuck on an integral. I actually gave up after a while and typed it in wolfram and got something that is beyond me. Just looking for some clarity.


Homework Equations



[itex] I = \int e^{-x^2} \, dx[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


The only way I know to tackle e is to make a substitution for the variable being raised to a power. I tried to make u = x^2 but that doesn't go anywhere. The problem clearly lies in the fact that the exponent on e is being raised to a power it's self. I don't know how to deal with this. If you pop that sucker in on wolfram you get something I have never seen ...called erf(x) ...not a clue. So I'm looking for an explanation of this. Please and thanks.
 
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Jbreezy said:

Homework Statement


Hey, just stuck on an integral. I actually gave up after a while and typed it in wolfram and got something that is beyond me. Just looking for some clarity.


Homework Equations



[itex] I = \int e^{-x^2} \, dx[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


The only way I know to tackle e is to make a substitution for the variable being raised to a power. I tried to make u = x^2 but that doesn't go anywhere. The problem clearly lies in the fact that the exponent on e is being raised to a power it's self. I don't know how to deal with this. If you pop that sucker in on wolfram you get something I have never seen ...called erf(x) ...not a clue. So I'm looking for an explanation of this. Please and thanks.

The function ##e^{-x^2}## does not have an "elementary" anti-derivative; that means that it is impossible to write a *finite* formula for ##I## in terms of things like sums, products, reciprocals, powers, roots, exponentials, logarithms, trig functions, etc. Even if you allow formulas 10 million pages in length, you still cannot do it! BTW: it is NOT just that nobody has been smart enough to figure out how to write such a formula; rather, it has been proven to be impossible.

That is why functions like ##\text{erf}(x) ##have been invented; they allow us to express such integrals in a compact form, and numerical computations using them are not much more complicated than with ##\log(x)## or ##\cos(x)##, etc.
 
Whoa. Cool. So how do you do integrals when you see something like I have written above. Can you elaborate on how to deal with them? Thanks amigo:)
 
That's the point. These integrals are evaluated numerically or they are left in their original form. You can't do anything else with them.
 
Jbreezy said:

Homework Statement


Hey, just stuck on an integral. I actually gave up after a while and typed it in wolfram and got something that is beyond me. Just looking for some clarity.

Homework Equations



[itex] I = \int e^{-x^2} \, dx[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


The only way I know to tackle e is to make a substitution for the variable being raised to a power. I tried to make u = x^2 but that doesn't go anywhere. The problem clearly lies in the fact that the exponent on e is being raised to a power it's self. I don't know how to deal with this. If you pop that sucker in on wolfram you get something I have never seen ...called erf(x) ...not a clue. So I'm looking for an explanation of this. Please and thanks.

Just to add to Ray's post, ##\text{erf}## is called the "error function".

You need to invoke ##\text{erf}(x)## when doing the indefinite integral. However, if you wanted to evaluate the definite integral between certain special bounds, say between 0 and ∞, there is a way to do so exactly without needing ##\text{erf}##, but the mathematics is slightly involved.
 
Well the question was actually asking me to state if the limit converged or not between - infinity and infinity.
So how does that work? If you don't mind or maybe someone else knows.
Thank you.
 
Jbreezy said:
Well the question was actually asking me to state if the limit converged or not between - infinity and infinity.
So how does that work? If you don't mind or maybe someone else knows.
Thank you.

The integrand is an even function and ##\int_{1}^{\infty}e^{-x^2}\, dx \le
\int_{1}^{\infty}e^{-x}\, dx ##
 
Jbreezy said:
Well the question was actually asking me to state if the limit converged or not between - infinity and infinity.
So how does that work? If you don't mind or maybe someone else knows.
Thank you.

The method I alluded to allows you to actually calculate that integral. You don't need to do that just to prove that the integral is finite. LCKurtz's observation works fine.
 
Lckrutz, What is it about it being even? I graphed them, I see but when you first looked what did you think?
P.S. I have a vector question. In another thread in a moment.
 
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Jbreezy said:
Lckrutz, What is it about it being even? I graphed them, I see but when you first looked what did you think?
P.S. I have a vector question. In another thread in a moment.

For an even function ##f(x)##, the graph is symmetric about the y axis. So if the part where ##x>0## converges, so does the part where ##x<0##, and$$
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x)\, dx = 2\int_0^\infty f(x)\, dx$$
 
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OK thanks
 

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