Solving Chandelier Tension Problem: Find T1 Expression without T2

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The problem involves a chandelier suspended by two cables, where the goal is to find an expression for the tension T1 without including T2. The scenario includes forces acting in both the x and y directions, with angles associated with each cable.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss isolating T1 in the equations derived from the forces acting on the chandelier. There is an attempt to express T2 in terms of T1 and the angles involved. Questions arise about the algebraic manipulation needed to solve for T1.

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Some participants have offered guidance on isolating T1 and factoring terms, while others reference previous discussions on similar problems. There is an ongoing exploration of the algebraic steps necessary to derive T1.

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Homework Statement



A chandelier with mass m is attached to the ceiling of a large concert hall by two cables. Because the ceiling is covered with intricate architectural decorations (not indicated in the figure, which uses a humbler depiction), the workers who hung the chandelier couldn't attach the cables to the ceiling directly above the chandelier. Instead, they attached the cables to the ceiling near the walls. Cable 1 has tension T_1 and makes an angle of theta_1 with the ceiling. Cable 2 has tension T_2 and makes an angle of theta_2 with the ceiling.

Find an expression for T1 that does not include T2

Homework Equations


I have found that the

Sum of the forces of in the x direction is T2cos(theta2) - T1cos(theta1) = 0

Sum of the forces in the y direction is T1sin(theta1) + T2sin(theta2) - mg = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



from the first equation, T2= T1cos(theta1)/cos(theta2)

would then T1sin(theta1) + T1cos(theta1)/cos(theta2)*sin(theta2) - mg = 0?
Any ideas how to solve algebraicly for T1?
 
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To start, isolate the T1 terms on one side of your equation. That might make things a bit clearer.
 
yes. T1sin(theta1) + T1cos((theta1)/cos(theta2))*sin(theta2) - mg = 0...then u factor out the T1 and u should be able to do it on ur own from there.
 

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