Solving Chandelier Problem: T1, Sine/Cosine Confusion

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The discussion revolves around a chandelier problem involving tension in cables and the application of Newton's second law. The original poster is uncertain about how to resolve the components of tension in relation to the angles formed with the ceiling.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the correct application of sine and cosine in the context of tension components. Some participants suggest drawing a triangle to visualize the components of tension and clarify the angles involved.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the use of trigonometric functions in the problem. There is a suggestion to draw a right triangle to aid in understanding, and a participant confirms the approach taken by the original poster regarding the x direction.

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The original poster notes confusion regarding the angles used in the problem, specifically how to determine sine or cosine when the angles are not aligned with the standard axes. There is an indication that the angles are measured with respect to the ceiling.

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1. A chandelier with mass is attached to the ceiling of a large concert hall by two cables. Because the ceiling is covered with intricate architectural decorations (not indicated in the figure, which uses a humbler depiction), the workers who hung the chandelier couldn't attach the cables to the ceiling directly above the chandelier. Instead, they attached the cables to the ceiling near the walls. Cable 1 has tension and makes an angle of with the ceiling. Cable 2 has tension and makes an angle of with the ceiling.




3. I have a free body diagram, but I'm not sure whether or not T1 in the y direction should have a sine or cosine in the Newton's second law equation. actually, I'm not sure how to determine sine or cosine for anything going in a direction not directly along the x or y-axis in a Newton's second law problem. Can anybody help?
 
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Whether you use sine or cosine depends on which angle you use (you could measure the angle that the string makes with the horizontal or with the vertical).

Draw a triangle with the tension in the cable to find its horizontal and vertical components. Label the angle that you know and then use trigonometry to determine whether you should use sine or cosine.

EDIT: Sorry, just saw that you specified the angle is with the ceiling. Still, draw a right angled triangle with the known angle and use trigonometry.
 
so, for the x direction it would be:
T1cos(theta)-T2cos(theta)?
 
Looks good to me; and that would be equal to zero, right?
 

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