Solving Complex ABCD Equations: 50 Hz, 3-Phase, High-Voltage Line

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The discussion revolves around solving complex ABCD equations related to a 50 Hz, three-phase, high-voltage transmission line. Participants explore calculations for sending-end voltage and current, power loss in the cable, and the estimation of primary line coefficients R, L, G, and C based on provided parameters and equations.

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  • The original poster (OP) presents complex ABCD equations for a transmission line and provides specific parameter values, seeking to calculate sending-end voltage and current, as well as power loss.
  • Some participants express difficulty in solving part (C) regarding the estimation of R, L, G, and C, indicating a lack of resources or clarity in the problem statement.
  • One participant mentions being unable to access a document related to the discussion and requests a description of a figure that is crucial for understanding the problem.
  • Another participant acknowledges having similar results for parts (a) and (b) but is also stuck on part (C), suggesting that there may be missing information in the question.
  • Some participants seek guidance or resources rather than direct answers, indicating a collaborative approach to problem-solving.

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Participants generally agree on the calculations for parts (a) and (b), but there is no consensus on how to approach part (C), with multiple participants expressing confusion and seeking clarification.

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There are indications of missing assumptions or definitions that may affect the ability to solve for R, L, G, and C. The reliance on specific figures and tables is noted, but details are not provided.

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FIGURE 3(a) represents a 50 Hz, three-phase, high-voltage, transmission
line. For one phase, the relationships between the sending end voltage
and current and the receiving end voltage are given by the complex
ABCD equations:

Vsp = Vrp(A1 + jA2) + Irp(B1 + jB2)

Isp = Vrp(C1 + jC2) + Irp(D1 + jD2)


where VSP is the sending-end phase voltage, ISP the sending-end phase
current and VRP is the magnitude of the open-circuit receiving end phase
voltage.


(a) Given the parameter values in TABLE A and if the magnitude of the
receiving-end line voltage VRL is measured as 154 kV when feeding
a balanced load of 40 MVA at a power factor of 0.9, calculate the
value of the sending-end phase voltage VSP and sending-end phase
current ISP.

[N.B. VSL = √3 × VSP and the total power in a three-phase load is
given by P = √3VI cos θ.]

(b) Hence or otherwise calculate the sending-end power and thus the
power lost in the cable.

(c) If the line is modeled by the Π-circuit of FIGURE 4(b), see if you
can estimate the primary line coefficients R, L, G and C. The line is
50 km long.


A1= 0.8698
A2= 0.03542
B1= 47.94 Ω
B2= 180.8 Ω
C1= 0 S
C2= 0.001349 S
D1= 0.8698
D2= 0.03542

so

a) P=sqrt(3)VI
I=40000000/(sqrt(3)*154000) = 149.961 A
Vrp=Vrl/sqrt(3) = 88912 V

Using formulas given for ABCD.
Vsp =84524.79 + j30262.16 = 89778.8∠19.70
Isp = 130.44 +j125.252 = 180.83∠43.84

b) p= sqrt(3)VI cos θ = sqrt(3)*154000*149.961*0.9 =36 MW

Vsl = sqrt(3)*89778.8 = 155501.4*149.961*0.9 = 36.3MW

350960.2 W lost in the cable.

c) I don't have a clue?
 

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Hi mate, Did you ever find the solution to part (C)? I cannot find for the life of me find any info on how to solve it. I have very similar answers to you for the rest of 4 but (c) has become a road block. Any help would be much appreciated, it almost feels like something is missing from the question!
 
I think the OP has come & gone. I'd like to look at this but can't open the .docx with my office 2003. Could you make a pdf file out of it? Or describe fig. 4(b) in words?I do know how to produce the ABCD parameters for a transmission line given R,L,G and C per-unit-length quantities.
 
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Hi mate, I am out of the country at the moment. But basiacally i have a table of values from A1,A2 through to D1, D2 but I can't find the formulas i need to find R,L,G,C.. The values in the table do have the relevant units ie ohms, S, etc with their respective imaginary part. The tranmission line is contructed as a pi circuit with Y being the 2 parallel resistors and z being the top one. It is a 50 hz 3 phase line with a 50 km length..

This probably isn't much use but i didn't want you to think i was ignoring you, I appreciate the offer to help.
 

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Thanks mate,

I do want to stress however that i am not looking for the answer here. I just need a nudge in the right direction or better still a good resource to look at. I am not finding my books very useful...
 
Hello everyone,
I'm struggling with the same here, I don't know how to find R, L, G, C from given data. Has anyone got an idea?
 

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