Solving Creation Operator Equation: Find Error in Calculation

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The discussion revolves around the calculation involving creation operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the equation relating the creation operator \( a^\dagger \) and its action on the state \( |n\rangle \). Participants are examining the implications of taking adjoints and the properties of operators involved.

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  • Participants discuss the original equation and the process of taking adjoints, questioning the validity of the steps taken. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the operators and their commutation properties.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the treatment of the operators. There is a focus on understanding the implications of these errors rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of operator algebra in quantum mechanics, specifically regarding the creation and annihilation operators and their adjoints. The discussion highlights the importance of operator properties and the nuances of their mathematical treatment.

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Homework Statement
Show that ##a^\dagger\lvert n \rangle = \sqrt{n+1}\lvert n+1 \rangle##
(From Shankar, Principles of Quantum Mechanics, Chapter 8 - The Harmonic Oscillator)
Relevant Equations
##\hat{H}+\frac{1}{2}=aa^\dagger=a^\dagger a##
##\hat{H}\lvert n \rangle = (n+\frac{1}{2})\lvert n \rangle##
I have written the equation, with an unknown constant
$$a^\dagger \lvert n\rangle = C_{n+1}\lvert n+1 \rangle$$
I then take the adjoint to get
$$\langle n \rvert a = \langle n+1 \rvert C_{n+1}^\text{*}$$
I then multiply them to get
$$\langle n \rvert aa^\dagger \lvert n \rangle = \langle n+1 \rvert n+1 \rangle |C_{n+1}|^2$$
On the left hand side, since ##aa^\dagger = \hat{H}-\frac{1}{2}##, the expression just simplifies to ##\langle n \rvert n \lvert n \rangle##. On the right hand side, since ##\lvert n+1 \rangle## is a normalized state, it just simplifies to ##|C_{n+1}|^2##. Thus, we arrive at
$$\langle n \rvert n \lvert n \rangle = |C_{n+1}|^2$$
$$n = |C_{n+1}|^2$$
$$C_{n+1}=\sqrt{n}$$.
Thus,
$$a^\dagger \lvert n \rangle = \sqrt{n} \lvert n+1 \rangle$$
Which is wrong.

I can't see where i went wrong. Can someone help?
 
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First error I see is where you wrote: aa^\dagger = a^\dagger a their commutator is not 0.
 
jambaugh said:
First error I see is where you wrote: aa^\dagger = a^\dagger a their commutator is not 0.

Would it make any difference?
From my equation

$$\langle n \rvert aa^\dagger \lvert n \rangle = \langle n+1 \rvert n+1 \rangle |C_{n+1}|^2$$

Could i take the adjoint to get
$$\langle n \rvert a^\dagger a \lvert n \rangle = \langle n+1 \rvert n+1 \rangle |C_{n+1}|^2$$

which would result in the same expression?
 
The number operator is self-adjoint (conjugate transpose). Yes it makes a big difference!
 
Luke Tan said:
Could i take the adjoint to get
That is wrong. The adjoint of ##a a^\dagger## is ##aa^\dagger##, not ##a^\dagger a##. Note that ##(ab)^\dagger = b^\dagger a^\dagger## for general a and b.
 
Oh i got the answer

We start from the original equation
$$a^\dagger \lvert n\rangle = C_{n+1}\lvert n+1 \rangle$$

We then take the adjoint to get
$$\langle n \rvert a = \langle n+1 \rvert C_{n+1}^\text{*}$$

Which we then combine to arrive at
$$\langle n \rvert aa^\dagger \lvert n \rangle = \langle n+1 \rvert n+1 \rangle |C_{n+1}|^2$$

Since we know the commutator ##[a,a^\dagger]=aa^\dagger-a^\dagger a=1##, we can then derive ##aa^\dagger = 1 + a^\dagger a##. We then substitute this to get

$$\langle n \rvert 1 + a^\dagger a \lvert n \rangle = \langle n+1 \rvert n+1 \rangle |C_{n+1}|^2$$

Which then simplifies to

$$\langle n \rvert \hat{H}+\frac{1}{2} \lvert n \rangle = |C_{n+1}|^2$$

Which evaluates to ##\langle n \rvert n+1 \lvert n \rangle = |C_{n+1}|^2##

Thus, we get ##|C_{n+1}|=\sqrt{n+1}##

Thanks everyone for the help!
 

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