Solving DE- which approach and more importantly - why

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation (DE) for the function G(m) in terms of other functions F(m) and D(m). Participants explore different methods for solving the DE, including integration by parts and separation of variables, while seeking clarity on the appropriate approach and the implications of each method.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the DE and describes an integration by parts approach to express F(m) G(m) in terms of F(m) D(m) and an integral involving D(m).
  • Another participant suggests that the first method may be more direct for obtaining G in terms of F and D, and provides a rearrangement of the DE that leads to a separable form.
  • A participant expresses a preference for the integration by parts method, citing the convenience of their expressions for F(m) and D(m) that will be used in integration.
  • There is a brief acknowledgment of the separable nature of the DE, but no further elaboration is provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the DE. Multiple approaches are discussed, and preferences for different methods are expressed without resolving which is superior.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the right-hand side of the equation may not be evaluable without specifying functions D and G, indicating a dependence on these definitions for further progress.

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Readers interested in differential equations, particularly those exploring methods of integration and the implications of different solving techniques, may find this discussion relevant.

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My end goal is to solve for [itex]G(m)[/itex] in terms of the other functions, but first I have to solve the DE :

[itex]\frac{d}{dm}[F(m) G(m)] = (\frac{d}{dm}F(m)) D(m)[/itex].

What I've done is to say (using integration by parts)

[itex]F(m) G(m) = F(m)D(m) - \int F(m) (\frac{d}{dm}D(m)) dm[/itex].

This is one method I tried. Another approach would be a separation of variables, which I tried as...

[itex]\frac{d}{dm}[F(m) G(m)] = \frac{dF}{dm} G + F \frac{dG}{dm} = \frac{dF}{dm} D[/itex]

which leads to...

[itex]\ln |F| = \int \frac{dG}{D - G} dm[/itex] and I believe that the RHS cannot be evaluated without specifying functions [itex]D[/itex] and [itex]G[/itex] (if the RHS can be evaluated without specification - please let me know...and please show me the way).

Help on understanding the correct method would be extremely appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 
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If you just need an expression for G in terms of F and D, then the first one looks more like it gets you there.

I noticed that $$\renewcommand{\dd}[2]{\frac{d #1}{d #2}}
\renewcommand{\dm}[1]{\frac{d #1}{dm}}

G\dm{F}+ F\dm{G} = D\dm{F}$$ rearranges to $$\dm{G}= \frac{D-G}{F}\dm{F}$$ ... integrate both sides wrt m ... but it's early and I havn't had my coffee yet...
 
Hi Simon, thanks for your reply.

Thanks for your suggestion, but I think I'll stick with the integration by parts method, since I have convenient expressions for [itex]F(m) (\frac{d}{dm}D(m))[/itex] that I will need to integrate.

Once again, thanks for the help.
 
Hi !
it's a separable EDO :
 

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Yeah - that's where I was going ;)
(Once I'd had my coffee...)
 

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