Solving Double Integrals with Polar Coordinates: What's the Correct Approach?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral using polar coordinates, specifically the integral of the function \(\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\) over a specified region in the first quadrant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution of Cartesian coordinates for polar coordinates and the implications for setting limits of integration. There are questions about how to define the limits for \(r\) and \(\theta\) given the constraints of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using polar coordinates and have begun to outline the limits for the integrals. However, there is ongoing debate about the correct limits for \(r\) and how they relate to the square region defined by \(x\) and \(y\) in the first quadrant. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and clarifications regarding the setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of integrating over a square region and the need to adjust limits based on the angle \(\theta\). There is mention of potential issues with logarithmic terms arising in the evaluation process.

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Homework Statement



Find [tex]\int \left( \int \frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2} \;dx \right) dy.[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



How would I go about finding [itex]\int \frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2} \;dx[/itex]?

If I made the substitution [itex]u^2=x^2+y^2[/itex] how do I go from here?
 
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Use polar coordinates.
 


dirk_mec1 said:
Use polar coordinates.

So letting [tex]x=r\cos \theta[/tex][tex]y=r\sin\theta[/tex] what would be the limits of the [itex]r[/itex] integral and the [itex]\theta[/itex] integral if [itex]x\in [0,1][/itex] and [itex]y\in [0,1][/itex]?
 
Come on, Ted! :rolleyes:

θ obviously goes from 0 to π/2

and, for a fixed value of θ, r goes from 0 to … ? :smile:
 


tiny-tim said:
Come on, Ted! :rolleyes:

θ obviously goes from 0 to π/2

and, for a fixed value of θ, r goes from 0 to … ? :smile:

Well if [itex]0 \leq \theta \leq \frac{\pi}{2}[/itex] and [itex]0 \leq r \leq 1[/itex] then [tex]\int^1_0 \int^1_0 \frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}dxdy = \int^{\frac{\pi}{2}}_0 \int^1_0 \frac{\cos(2\theta)}{r} drd\theta[/tex]

but what do I do about [itex]\ln(0)[/itex]?
 
Ted123 said:
Well if [itex]0 \leq \theta \leq \frac{\pi}{2}[/itex] and [itex]0 \leq r \leq 1[/itex]

No! It's a square!

How can r go from 0 to 1 to make a square? :redface:
 


tiny-tim said:
No! It's a square!

How can r go from 0 to 1 to make a square? :redface:

If [itex]0 \leq r \leq \sqrt{2}[/itex] then I'm still faced with a [itex][\ln(r)]^{\sqrt{2}}_0[/itex]
 
Ted, to find the limit you have to fix θ, and see where r goes between for that value of θ.

So your r limit will be a function of θ.

(btw, in this particular case, you'll need separate functions for θ ≤ π/4 and θ > π/4 :wink:)
 

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