Solving equations without number values

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The discussion focuses on solving physics problems involving equations without specific numerical values. A user expresses confusion about determining conditions for non-collision between two objects with given accelerations and initial velocities. The solution involves setting the position equations equal to each other to find collision conditions and then ensuring the quadratic equation has no real solutions by making the discriminant negative. This approach provides the necessary conditions on the velocities to prevent a collision. The exchange clarifies the method for solving such abstract problems in physics.
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I'm having trouble wrapping my head around problems without any given number values. All of the book problems I've done so far have had number values for position or velocity etc and those fit nicely into equations that could be solved for other variables. I was recently given a set of sample quiz questions and they are all like this:

1. An object moving along the x-axis has a constant negative acceleration of a1 and an initial velocity of +v1. A second object located +d meters ahead of the first one also has a constant acceleration of +a2 with an initial velocity if +v2. Find the condition(s) on v1 and v2 such that a collision will not occur.

How would I go about solving something like this?
 
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x_1=v_1t-\frac{1}{2}a_1t^2
x_2=d+v_2t+\frac{1}{2}a_2t^2
The collision will not occur if x_2>x_1[/color]
 
Well, I get those equations plugging in what's given, but how would I then solve for the conditions on v1 and v2? This is so confusing without numbers to work with. :confused:
 
You *did* take algebra as a prerequisite to physics, right?
 
Yes, but I'm not sure how to turn the resulting equations for v_1 and v_2 into their conditions for no collision.
 
quaker said:
Yes, but I'm not sure how to turn the resulting equations for v_1 and v_2 into their conditions for no collision.

what you can do is to use the two equations given by the other poster and set them equal to one another, x_1 = x_2. This woul dgive the condition such that there *would* be a collision. Now, solve for the time at which the collision would occur (you would get a quadratic formula for t).

This is the time at which a collision would occur *if* there was one. Now, if you do NOT want a collision to occur, you want this equation to have no solution. You can make sure that there is no solution by imposing that the term under the square root (b^2 - 4 a c) is negative. That will give you a condition on the speeds.

Pat
 
nrqed said:
what you can do is to use the two equations given by the other poster and set them equal to one another, x_1 = x_2. This woul dgive the condition such that there *would* be a collision. Now, solve for the time at which the collision would occur (you would get a quadratic formula for t).

This is the time at which a collision would occur *if* there was one. Now, if you do NOT want a collision to occur, you want this equation to have no solution. You can make sure that there is no solution by imposing that the term under the square root (b^2 - 4 a c) is negative. That will give you a condition on the speeds.

Pat

I get it now, that makes sense. Thanks for your help!
 
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