Solving Exponent Problem: Find Value of x

  • Thread starter Thread starter altamashghazi
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Exponent
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the value of x in the equation x^X^x^x^x=2, which presents challenges related to exponentiation and logarithmic manipulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss taking logarithms of both sides, with some expressing difficulty in solving the resulting equations. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of the power tower notation, with different representations being considered.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested that the problem may not be solvable using analytic functions, while others have proposed numerical methods as a potential approach. The discussion includes various interpretations of the power tower and its implications for solving the equation.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing debate about the nature of the power tower and its representation, as well as the feasibility of finding a solution analytically versus numerically.

altamashghazi
Messages
42
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


x^X^x^x^x=2. find value of x.


Homework Equations



taking log both sides, but it makes a equation which i am not able to solve.

The Attempt at a Solution


x^(x)^4=2
x^4logx=log2. what next?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
altamashghazi said:

Homework Statement


x^X^x^x^x=2. find value of x.


Homework Equations



taking log both sides, but it makes a equation which i am not able to solve.

The Attempt at a Solution


x^(x)^4=2
x^4logx=log2. what next?

Is that

x^{x^{x^{x^x}}}

or

(((x^x)^x)^x)^x

?
 
the fist one
 
the first one
 
Was this a problem you just made up? In any case, I don't believe you'll be able to solve it using analytic functions.

If you take the log of both sides, it becomes

x^{x^{x^x}}\log x = \log 2

and not x^4\log x as you suggested. Also, the power tower isn't

x^{x^4} either. If you use Knuth's up arrow notation, then it would be equivalent to x^^5 where each ^ represents an up arrow.
 
then what should i do how to solve
 
Funnily enough, you can solve the infinite power tower quite easily, provided a solution exists, e.g.

x^{x^{x^{x^{x}...}}} = 2 \implies x^2 = 2 \implies x = \sqrt{2}

But there's no way of solving a finite power tower equation algebraically. You can probably do it numerically, though, to get an approximate solution.

EDIT: you can use ##x = \sqrt{2}## as an excellent starting guess for a numerical solver for your finite power tower problem.
 
Last edited:
Curious3141 , I am curious to know how x^x^x ... = 2 became x^2 = 2 .
 
  • #10
If x^x^x... = 2 then if we add another x at the bottom of that tower power, we haven't changed anything since the power tower is infinitely high. Or in other words,
y^x^x^x... = 2 where y=x is still equivalent to x^x^x..., so we substitute 2 for x^x^x... since that's what we assumed it is equal to, and arrive at

y^2 = 2
y=x
x^2 = 2

sambarbarian said:
Curious3141
sambarbarian said:
I am curious...
Curious tends to instigate these feelings in all of us :smile:
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

Replies
3
Views
3K
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
Replies
116
Views
8K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
3K