Solving for a: A Tricky Trigonometry Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving the trigonometric equation involving variables r, t, and θ to find the angle a. Participants suggest using the method of linear combinations of sine and cosine to manipulate the equation into a more manageable form. Confusion arises over the correct application of trigonometric identities, leading to a misinterpretation of the original equation. After several iterations and corrections, the final expression for a is derived as arcsin(tan(θ) * t / (r * sqrt(1 + tan²(θ)))) - θ = α. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly identifying and applying trigonometric identities to solve complex equations.
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Homework Statement


Is there a way to solve this for a?
\frac{r\sin a}{t - r\cos a} = \cos \theta
r\sin a=t\cos \theta - r\cos a \cos \theta

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am not that good with trig...this isn't a homework problem but since it is like one it belongs here. My attempt at a solution got me to that equation and now I am stuck.
 
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Zula110100100 said:

Homework Statement


Is there a way to solve this for a?
\frac{r\sin a}{t - r\cos a} = \cos \theta



r\sin a=t\cos \theta - r\cos a \cos \theta

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I am not that good with trig...this isn't a homework problem but since it is like one it belongs here. My attempt at a solution got me to that equation and now I am stuck.

Sure, do you know the method of converting

a\cos(\theta)+b\sin(\theta)=Rsin(\theta+\phi)

Where R and \phi are some values that you need to determine. You can start by expanding the right hand side and then equating the like terms.
 
No...I am not aware of that at all. Does this method have a name by which I could search it? Or could anyone suggest a good trig site or book? I know that under certain circumstances you can swap trig functions but I don't really know what these situations are...

What do you mean by expanding the right hand side?

The known data that I am working with are: r t \theta
 
Zula110100100 said:

Homework Statement


Is there a way to solve this for a?
\frac{r\sin a}{t - r\cos a} = \cos \theta



r\sin a=t\cos \theta - r\cos a \cos \theta

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I am not that good with trig...this isn't a homework problem but since it is like one it belongs here. My attempt at a solution got me to that equation and now I am stuck.
To use
Mentallic's suggestion, manipulate your equation to get:

\displaystyle\sin(a)+\cos(\theta) \cos(a)= \frac{t}{r}\cos(\theta)

Look at Linear Combinations in the List of Trig Identities in Wikipedia -- this Link -- for the following:

\displaystyle a\sin x+b\cos x=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}\cdot\sin(x+\varphi)

\displaystyle \varphi = \arctan \left(\frac{b}{a}\right) + \begin{cases}<br /> 0 &amp; \text{if }a \ge 0 \\<br /> \pi &amp; \text{if }a \lt 0<br /> \end{cases}



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I apologize but I am still quite confused...but without linear combination I came to this:

\sin(a) + \cos(\theta)\cos(a) = \frac{t}{r}\cos(\theta)

expand \cos(\theta)\cos(a)

\sin(a) + \frac{\cos(\theta-a) - \cos(\theta +a)}{2} = \frac{t}{r}\cos(\theta)

What is confusing is that if I then use angle sum and difference I get

\frac{\cos(\theta - a) - \cos(\theta + a)}{2} = \frac{\cos(\theta) \cos(a) - \sin(\theta) \sin(a) - [\cos(\theta) \cos(a) + \sin(\theta)\sin(a)]}{2} = \frac{-2\sin(\theta)\sin(a)}{2} = -\sin(\theta)\sin(a)

Plugging that back in above gives:

\sin(a) - \sin(\theta)\sin(a) = \frac{t}{r}\cos(\theta)

Factor out sin(a)

\sin(a)(1 - \sin(\theta)) = \frac{t}{r}\cos(\theta)
\sin(a) = \frac{t\cos(\theta)}{r-r\sin(\theta)}

So

\sin^-1(\frac{t\cos(\theta)}{r-r\sin(\theta)}) = a

Any errors there? Seems odd... to go from "Product-to-sum" and then use "Angle sum and difference identities" But if that is allowable then it should be all good?
 
Zula110100100 said:
I apologize but I am still quite confused...but
Nevertheless, it has given you plenty of practice with itex. :smile:
expand \cos(\theta)\cos(a)
and you found it to be equal to
-\sin(\theta)\sin(a)
Can this identity be correct, I hear you ask? So why not try a couple of random values for theta and a and evaluate on your calculator? I tried. Sorry, these are not generally equal. (I guess you've made a mistake in there somewhere.)

What Mentallic intended when he said to expand, was that you should expand the RHS to remove the brackets. But in the nick of time SammyS came to your rescue and supplied you with result. So I recommend that you discard your off-track sum and difference extravaganza, and try to make use of SammyS's formula.
 
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I don't understand what SammyS means, because I can't seem to get my equation into that form...

For clarification, I am going to change my equation's "a" variable since there is an "a" in the linear combination formula.

\sin(\alpha)+\cos(\theta)\cos(\alpha)=\frac{t}{r}\cos(\theta)

Unless it is like this:

a\sin x + b\cos x = \sqrt{a^2+b^2}\cdot\sin(x+\varphi)

a = 1 , b = \cos \theta

So that:

\frac{t}{r}\cos\theta = \sqrt{1 + \cos^2\theta}\cdot\sin(\alpha + \varphi)?

Continuing with that I get
\frac{t\cos\theta}{r\sqrt{1+\cos^2\theta}} = \sin(\alpha +\varphi)

\arcsin(\frac{t\cos\theta}{r\sqrt{1+\cos^2\theta}}) = \alpha +\varphi

\arcsin(\frac{t\cos\theta}{r\sqrt{1+\cos^2\theta}}) - \varphi = \alpha ??

In my case, \alpha \geq 0 so it becomes:

\arcsin(\frac{t\cos\theta}{r\sqrt{1+\cos^2\theta}}) - \arctan(\cos\theta) = \alpha ??

Nevertheless, it has given you plenty of practice with itex

Thanks, it certainly looks much better than typed out equations!
 
Very nice :smile:

And just to finish off by showing you how the result of the substitution we made came to be:

a\cdot\cos\theta+b\cdot\sin\theta=R\sin\left(\theta+\phi\right)

RHS=R(\sin\theta\cos\phi+\cos\theta\sin\phi)

Since we want to solve for \theta, we can equate the coefficients of \cos\theta from each side, and also for \sin\theta.

a\cdot\cos\theta \equiv R\cos\theta\sin\phi
a = R\sin\phi

and

b\cdot\sin\theta \equiv R\sin\theta\cos\phi
b=R\cos\phi

So now we have these two equations in 2 unknowns (R and \phi) and can thus solve them simultaneously. We can solve for \phi by dividing the first equation by the second to get

\frac{a}{b}=\tan\phi

\phi=\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{b}

and plugging this back into the first or second equation, we get

a=R\sin\left(\tan^{-1}\frac{a}{b}\right)

and by playing around with this and applying trig substitutions (I myself prefer using a right triangle), you can determine that

\sin(\tan^{-1}x)=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+1}}

And so

R=\frac{a\sqrt{x^2+1}}{x}
=\frac{a\sqrt{\frac{a^2}{b^2}+1}}{\frac{a}{b}}
=\frac{\frac{a}{b}\sqrt{a^2+b^2}}{\frac{a}{b}}
=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}

as required.
 
I appreciate the help, but the function is not giving me the outputs I wanted...probably a problem with the original equation. It -should- be undefined for t = \sqrt{2}, r = 1, \theta \geq 45 but it doesn't seem to be the case
 
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Zula110100100 said:
I appreciate the help, but the function is not giving me the outputs I wanted...probably a problem with the original equation. It -should- be undefined for t = \sqrt{2}, r = 1, \theta \geq 45 but it doesn't seem to be the case

Why should it be undefined for those given values?

\frac{\sin(a)}{\sqrt{2}-\cos(a)} has a range of [-1,1] and only reaches the extremities when a=\pi/4,7\pi/4, while on the right side of the equation, \cos\theta ranges from -1 to 1 also.
 
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I don't know how to put it mathematically, but from my goal with the equation, it should.

It is an attempt to find the angle of a radius with 0x, that goes to the point of intersection between a line originating at a Point "t" from the origin, with a circle of radius "r" centered around the origin, with the line making an angle of \theta with 0x. If the situation of t = \sqrt{2}, r = 1 the point is at the corner of a square which the circle would be inscribed in, giving the two legs of the triangle that enclose the angle lengths of \sqrt{2}, 1, and the side opposite the angle length 1. with this setup the greatest angle from 0x that still intercepts the circle is \frac{pi}{4}, as that tangent line points directly at the point that is "t" from the originLet me try to explain better, consider a circle of radius "r" center around the origin O, there is a point P on the x-axis that is a distance "t" from O, a line goes from P, at an angle of \theta with the x-axis, intercepting the circle at a Point Q, what is the angle(with respect to the x-axis) of a line going from O to Q

So if the line doesn't intercept the circle, there is no Q. Also, \overline{OQ} = r should be true.

This is why I say it is probably a problem with my original equation.
 
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Zula110100100 said:
it is probably a problem with my original equation.
Oh well, on the positive side you learned some valuable things from this exercise. :smile: :smile:

I had a look at your derivation. I make the RHS of your equation to be -tan theta, not cos theta.

Start again ... :rolleyes:
 
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tan indeed...and now it works. heh. Thank you three for your assistance, as that was certainly the way to go. Final version is:

\arcsin(\frac{t\tan\theta}{r\sqrt{1+\tan^2\theta}}) - \theta = \alpha
 
  • #14
I guess that is better expressed as:

\arcsin(\frac{t}{r}\tan\theta\cos\theta)-\theta = \alpha

Can it be further simplified?
 
  • #15
arctan(cos(θ)) ≠ θ
 
  • #16
"b" from linear combination equation was changed to a tan(θ), as that was the error in my original equation, is that what you mean?
 
  • #17
Zula110100100 said:
I guess that is better expressed as:

\arcsin(\frac{t}{r}\tan\theta\cos\theta)-\theta = \alpha

Can it be further simplified?

\arcsin(\frac{t}{r}\sin\theta)-\theta = \alpha even then yes?
 
  • #18
Sorry to go on about this...but The above is correct for what I was going for, I was able to find it from a geometric proof working backwards from that answer.

Circle.jpg


\overline{OQ} = r, \overline{OP} = t, \angle{OPS} = \theta, \angle{QOP} = \alpha, \angle{OQS} = \varphi, \angle{OQP} = \beta

r\sin\varphi = t\sin\theta
\varphi+\beta = \pi
\alpha+\beta+\theta = \pi

So by solving for \varphi in the first equation, equating the last two and removing \beta, equate the resultant equations via \varphi and solve for \alpha you reach the above equation.
 
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