Solving for an unknown in differential equation solution

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The discussion revolves around a second-order differential equation with specific initial conditions. The original poster is tasked with demonstrating that there is a unique value of \( r \) for which a transformed function can become arbitrarily large, based on the solution of the differential equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve the differential equation using Maple and finds a particular solution, but questions the interpretation of the requirement for a unique value of \( r \). Other participants suggest substituting a different form for \( y \) and exploring the implications of this substitution on the solution.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering guidance on the substitution method and others expressing uncertainty about the use of Maple. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the approach to finding the general solution versus a particular solution.

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Some participants note that they have not yet been taught how to solve differential equations with non-constant coefficients, which may limit their ability to engage fully with the problem. There is also mention of the original poster's struggles with Maple, indicating a potential barrier to exploring the problem further.

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Homework Statement



(1): [tex]\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} + 4\frac{dy}{dx} + 20y = 10e^{-2x}\cos (rx)[/tex], [tex]y(0) = 1[/tex], [tex]y'(0) = 0[/tex]

Show that there is precisely one value for r for which [tex]e^{2x}y(x)[/tex] can become arbitrarily large where [tex]y(x)[/tex] is a solution of (1)


The Attempt at a Solution



I used Maple to solve the DE and found a particular solution [tex]y(x)[/tex].

[tex]e^{2x}y(x) = -\frac{10(-\cos 4x + \cos rx)}{-16+r^2}[/tex]

When r tends to 4 or -4 then [tex]e^{2x}y(x)[/tex] can become arbitrarily large, but this doesn't seem to me like it satisfies the question - it's not "precisely one value" and it's not an exact value of r. I graphed [tex]e^{2x}y(x)[/tex] and can't see anywhere else it can become arbitrarily large. I feel like I'm missing something, can anyone point me in the right direction? Cheers.
 
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Hi Ewan_C! :wink:

Sorry, but this is what happens when you take short-cuts …

there is a solution for r = ±4, but it doesn't involve cos4x.

Start again, put y = ze-2x, get the differential equation for z, put r = ±4, and look for another particular solution. :smile:
 
Hi Tim, thanks for the response.

So you mean that I should substitute y(x) = z(x)*e-2x into the original DE and solve it for z? Now I get it, that's what they meant from the start - I took "where y(x) is a solution of (1)" to mean a particular solution rather than the general solution.

We haven't yet been taught how to solve DEs with non-constant coefficients, so I used Maple again to solve the DE. I used the following commands:

DE := diff(exp(-2*x)*y(x),x,x)+4*diff(exp(-2*x)*y(x),x)+20*exp(-2*x)*y(x) =10*exp(-2*x)*cos(r*x);

DE_hom := diff(exp(-2*x)*y(x),x,x)+4*diff(exp(-2*x)*y(x),x)+20*exp(-2*x)*y(x) = 0;

dsolve({DE,y(0)=1,D(y)(0)=0},y(x)) - dsolve({DE_hom,y(0)=1,D(y)(0)=0},y(x));

I didn't substitute y(x)=z(x)e-2x as it made Maple get angry with me - my Maple skills aren't too brilliant! I think what I did is equivalent though?
Am I correct in thinking that if you take the general solution of the DE and subtract the general solution of the corresponding homogeneous DE, the result is a particular solution of the DE?

This still gave me a particular solution with a cos(4x) term. I don't really know what's going on with this DE as I can't solve it by hand. Maybe the best next step would be to spend some time on the internet learning how solve DEs with non-constant coefficients?
 
Ewan_C said:
We haven't yet been taught how to solve DEs with non-constant coefficients, so I used Maple again to solve the DE. I used the following commands:

Sorry, Ewan_C, I've no idea what Maple is or how it works. :redface:

Surely you can work out what dy/dx and d2y/dx2 are in terms of dz/dx and d2z/dx2 without a calculator? :smile:
 

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