Solving Isothermal Expansion Problem - Temperature Calculation

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around calculating the temperature during an isothermal expansion of a monatomic ideal gas. The initial pressure is given as 400 kPa, with an initial volume of 20 m³ and a final volume of 80 m³. The user initially calculated the temperature using the ideal gas law but received an incorrect result from the grading system. Upon further analysis, it was determined that the large temperature value of approximately 5979 K is indeed correct, given the significant volume and mole count of the gas. The calculations highlight the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature in ideal gas behavior, emphasizing the need for accurate conversions and understanding of the gas laws.
morsel
Messages
29
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Suppose 161 moles of a monatomic ideal gas undergoes an isothermal expansion as shown in the figure (attached). The horizontal axis is marked in increments on 20 m3

What is the temperature at the beginning and at the end of this process?

Homework Equations


PV = nRT


The Attempt at a Solution


Pi = 400 kPa
Vi = 20 m3
Pf = 100 kPa
Vf = 80 m3

T = (PV)/(nR) = (400*20)/(161*8.31) = 5.98 K

My answer is wrong according to the online homework grading system. What am I doing wrong?
Any help is appreciated.
 

Attachments

  • 18-24alt.gif
    18-24alt.gif
    15 KB · Views: 848
Physics news on Phys.org
The pressure is kilo pascal.
 
OK. But even if I convert kPa to Pa and calculate, that's still not the answer.
T = (400,000 Pa * 20) / (161*8.31) = 5979 K
This seems outrageously large.
 
morsel said:
OK. But even if I convert kPa to Pa and calculate, that's still not the answer.
T = (400,000 Pa * 20) / (161*8.31) = 5979 K
This seems outrageously large.
True. But you can blame the person who drafted the question. That is the right answer to this question.

One mole of a gas at STP occupies 22.4 litres or .0224 m^3. That is at about 100 kPa pressure and a temperature of 273 K. Here, you have 161 times that amount of gas occupying 80/.0224 = 3571 times as much volume. So to reach the same 1 atm pressure the temperature has to be 3571/161 = 22 times the temperature at STP -about 6000 degrees.

AM
 
Okay. Thanks for your help.
 
Thread 'Collision of a bullet on a rod-string system: query'
In this question, I have a question. I am NOT trying to solve it, but it is just a conceptual question. Consider the point on the rod, which connects the string and the rod. My question: just before and after the collision, is ANGULAR momentum CONSERVED about this point? Lets call the point which connects the string and rod as P. Why am I asking this? : it is clear from the scenario that the point of concern, which connects the string and the rod, moves in a circular path due to the string...
Back
Top