Solving Linear Algebra DE: Im(D)=V, f=y''+y'+y

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The problem involves demonstrating that the image of a differential operator defined on a subspace of functions, specifically the span of sin(x) and cos(x), is equal to that subspace. The differential operator is given by D(y) = y'' + y' + y, and the goal is to show that for every function f in this subspace, there exists a solution y in the same subspace.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the differential equation and its relation to the subspace V. Some express confusion about the equation's form and its implications. Others suggest focusing on how the operator D maps the basis functions sin(x) and cos(x) back into the subspace V.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the mapping properties of the operator D and its implications for the existence of solutions within the subspace. Some have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem without solving the differential equation directly. There is an ongoing dialogue about the definitions and relationships between the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the differential equation and the definitions of the functions involved. Some participants question the assumptions made about the relationship between the functions and their linear combinations.

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Homework Statement



Let

V=span(sinx,cosx)

be the subspace of Maps(R,R) generated by the functions sin(x) and cos(x), and let

D:V \to V

be the differential operator defined by

D(y)=y''+y'+y for y E V.

Show that Im(D) = V and conclude that for every f E V, the differential equation

f=y''+y'+y

has a solution y E V.

Homework Equations



Not really any, you need Euler's formula to solve the DE though.

The Attempt at a Solution



The differential equation doesn't make any sense to me in that form, so after some research into solving such things (I have never seen one before), I solved

0=y''+y'+y

and obtained

y(f)= c_1e^{\frac{-f}{2}}sin(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}f)+ c_2e^{\frac{-f}{2}}cos(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}f)

Which is pretty cool, but I'm not entirely sure if that helps me at all. I mean, it looks like a linear combination of things, which is good maybe. Also, can you just make it equal to zero like that?
 
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You don't want to solve the differential equation. That's just the solution of D(f)=0. It doesn't have much to do with V. You want to show D maps V onto V. Hint: find D(sin(x)) and D(cos(x)).
 
You don't want to solve the differential equation. That's just the solution of D(f)=0. It doesn't have much to do with V. You want to show D maps V onto V. Hint: find D(sin(x)) and D(cos(x)).
 
You don't want to solve the differential equation.

OK, thank you. Can I do anything at all with that solution other than say "Look at me, I solved this?"

Hint: find D(sin(x)) and D(cos(x)).

D(sinx)= (sinx)''+(sinx)'+sinx

D(sinx)= -sinx+cosx+sinx=cosx

D(cosx)= (cosx)''+(cosx)'+cosx

D(cosx)= -cosx-sinx+cosx=-sinx

So since V is just linear combinations of sines and cosines, and D maps sine and cosine to more sines and cosines, D maps elements of V to elements of V and Im(D) = V.

Then I can conclude that there is a solution for all elements of V by noting that, since D maps any element of V to another element of V, any f can be made from linear combinations of y.
 
How does [cos(x),-sin(x)] = span[sin(x),cos(x)]?
and also… i think it is a bit quick to say that because of this statement any f can be written from a linear combination of y..is y the function?
 
How does [cos(x),-sin(x)] = span[sin(x),cos(x)]?

Well the span of sin(x) and cos(x) is all linear combinations of sin(x) and cos(x), and

D(\lambda sinx)=\lambda cosx

D(\lambda cosx)=-\lambda sinx

Which is a linear combination of sin(x) and cos(x).

i think it is a bit quick to say that because of this statement any f can be written from a linear combination of y..is y the function?

y is the variable like f(x) = x^2, only instead of x^2 you have a linear combination of derivatives of y.

Keep in mind, I have no idea if any of that is true...I only learned what a DE was this morning on the internet :smile:
 
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