Solving Linear Circuit Problems to Using Complex Currents and Charges"

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The discussion revolves around solving linear circuit problems using complex currents and charges, focusing on the application of initial and boundary conditions in the context of differential equations. Participants explore the methodology of circuit analysis and the implications of their assumptions on the solutions derived.

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  • One participant questions when to apply initial conditions to current and charge in the context of solving differential equations for linear circuits.
  • Another participant suggests that boundary conditions can be identified by solving the differential equations using traditional methods, implying that these conditions do not necessarily need to be applied at t=0.
  • A participant clarifies their method of analysis, detailing the steps taken to derive the current and charge without explicitly identifying where boundary conditions are applied.
  • Another participant defines "PD" as potential difference and emphasizes that boundary conditions are implicitly included in the assumptions made about initial values and the phase direction in circuit diagrams.

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Participants express differing views on the application of boundary conditions, with some asserting that they are inherent in the assumptions made, while others seek a clearer identification of these conditions within the problem-solving process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the explicit application of boundary conditions.

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Limitations include the potential ambiguity in defining boundary conditions and the dependence on the specific definitions and assumptions made in the analysis of linear circuits.

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In solving linear circuit problems using complex currents, charges etc. I have stumbled upon something I never really understand. You are basically solving 1st and 2nd order differential equations by algebraic means, right? Well at what point do you apply initial conditions to your current and charge, Q(0), dQ/dt (0)?
I might have missed out on an essential points, because it actually seems that you never apply boundary conditions.
 
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You could discover where the boundary conditions come in (and they don't have to be at t=0) by solving the same DEs the usual way :)

What you are doing is exploiting that you know the solutions to the DEs with the appropriate boundary conditions already because you know the relationship between PD and dQ/dt.
 
uhh. what is PD? :(

Let me just clarify exactly the method I have learned and you can point at which step I use boundary conditions:

1) Say we have an RCL with I(0)=0, Q(0)=a driven by a time varying potential U(t) = εcos(ωt)

2) We write (where I is now complex I = I0exp(-iωt) and β is a phase)
εexp(-iωt) = RI0exp(-iωt) - iωLβI0exp(-iωt) - 1/(-iωC) I0exp(-iωt)

3) You can cancel out the exponential function and find the phase which can be found entirely in terms of the physical quantities L,C,R. The same goes for I0, the amplitude of the current.

4) You can now put it all together and take the real part of the current. It will be a sinusoidal function with determined amplitude and phase - which is one specific solution and is not a general solution.

WHERE did I apply the boundary conditions?
 
PD=potential difference.
WHERE did I apply the boundary conditions?
... write out the general solution (from the DE) for the kind of quantity you have to solve when you do linear circuit analysis, then compare with the result you get when you use that analysis, and you'll be able to see what the boundary conditions were.

You did explicitly assume I(0)=0 and Q(0)=a (Q(0) where?).
When you draw the voltage source in the diagram, you specify a phase direction. When you draw the PD arrows on the diagram - you use that phase direction to decide if the potential is gained or dropped. Those contribute to the boundary conditions. Since the current will be sinusoidal, it actually doesn't matter what the initial phase is - so we have picked one that makes the math easy.

You'll see it clearly when you do the calculus.
 

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