Solving Partial Derivation Homework Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a partial differentiation homework problem, with participants clarifying the approach to take. The main focus is on understanding how to treat other variables as constants while differentiating with respect to one variable. A key point made is that when differentiating a term like xyz, the result is yz, not zero, since the other variables are treated as constants but still multiply the variable of differentiation. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly applying the rules of partial differentiation and provide resources for further learning. Overall, the conversation aims to enhance understanding of partial derivatives in the context of the homework problem.
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Now I solved something similar to this problem yesterday (https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=447168) thanks to the help of p21bass but this one is really out there and I have no idea where to begin.

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know where to even start as this is my first time ever seeing this problem. Where should I start?
 
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So is the question just asking you to find Fx, Fy, Fz?
If that is the case then its a fairly easy problem.
If you have not met partial differentiation before I won't go through what it is and how it comes about but i'll just tell you how to do it:
To differentiate du/dx (with curly d's to represent partial derivatives) you take all the variables which are not x and treat them as constants so for example d/dx (x^2yz)=2xyz
As with the minus signs you just need to find the derivatives and then multiply it by -1 .
Hopefully that helps a little.
 
robcowlam said:
So is the question just asking you to find Fx, Fy, Fz?
If that is the case then its a fairly easy problem.
If you have not met partial differentiation before I won't go through what it is and how it comes about but i'll just tell you how to do it:
To differentiate du/dx (with curly d's to represent partial derivatives) you take all the variables which are not x and treat them as constants so for example d/dx (x^2yz)=2xyz
As with the minus signs you just need to find the derivatives and then multiply it by -1 .
Hopefully that helps a little.

so like this?

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But since am treating yz as constants wouldn't it be 0 if I take the derivative or am just taking the derivative of x and then multiplying it by yz?
 
Ok so I read up on partial derivatives and came up with this:


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Am I right?
 
Not quite. When you partially differentiate, you're treating the other variables as constant, but you still might be multiplying by the variable you're differentiating with respect to. For instance:

\frac{\partial }{\partial x} ( xyz ) = yz

As you know

\frac{d}{dx} ( \alpha x ) = \alpha

Remember: when you differentiate a constant on its own, you get 0, but a constant multiplying the variable you're differentiating with respect to is not zero!
 
I really do appreciate the help here! Now is this any better?

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Looks great, nice work!
 
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