Solving Particle Roundabout Homework

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The discussion revolves around identifying the paths of particles moving through a uniform magnetic field, based on their masses, charges, and speeds. The problem involves understanding the relationship between these variables and the resulting motion of the particles, particularly in terms of circular paths and radii.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the equation for the radius of the circular paths and how it relates to the given properties of the particles. There are questions about the implications of particle charge on the direction of curvature and the significance of the radius in determining the path.

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Participants are exploring the relationships between mass, charge, speed, and the resulting path curvature. Some have made initial calculations regarding the radii of the paths, while others are questioning how the entry points of the particles relate to their charges. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of positive and negative charges on the direction of motion.

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There is uncertainty regarding the uniformity of the magnetic field (B) and its effect on the particles' paths. Participants are also considering the implications of the signs of the radii calculated and how they relate to the physical behavior of the particles.

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Homework Statement


The figure shows 11 paths through a region of uniform magnetic field. One path is a straight line; the rest are half-circles. The table gives the masses, charges, and speeds of 11 particles that take these paths through the field in the directions shown. Which path in the figure corresponds to which particle in the table?
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Homework Equations


r = (mv)/(qB)

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know how to use that equation to get the answer but I know particle 11 should be k. What tells how big the semi circle is and where it starts?
Please help! Thank you!
 
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You have an equation for the radius in terms of m, v, q, and B. The problem gives you m, v, and q. You don't know B, but you can assume that it is the same for all of them. So you should be able to determine the relative values of r for all of the particles. In other words, if two particles have the same m and q, but different v's, how will the two radii compare?
 
phyzguy said:
You have an equation for the radius in terms of m, v, q, and B. The problem gives you m, v, and q. You don't know B, but you can assume that it is the same for all of them. So you should be able to determine the relative values of r for all of the particles. In other words, if two particles have the same m and q, but different v's, how will the two radii compare?
I got
Particle 1: 2R
Particle 2: R/2
Particle 3: R
Particle 4:8R
Particle 5:4R
Particle 6:-2R
Particle 7:-R/4
Particle 8:-R
Particle 9:-8R
Particle 10:-4R
Particle 11: --

But I can't tell if where the particles enter the semicircle tells whether or not the particle is negative/positive? And finding the radius finds the size of the semicircle right?
 
kilnvzol said:
But I can't tell if where the particles enter the semicircle tells whether or not the particle is negative/positive? And finding the radius finds the size of the particle right?

OK, this is a good start. Positive particle will curve in one direction, negative particles will curve in the other direction. You don't know B, so you don't know which is which, but do you see that some particles are circling clockwise and some circling counter-clockwise? Also, it is not true that the radius finds the "size" of the particle - the radius is determined by m, v, and q.
 
phyzguy said:
OK, this is a good start. Positive particle will curve in one direction, negative particles will curve in the other direction. You don't know B, so you don't know which is which, but do you see that some particles are circling clockwise and some circling counter-clockwise? Also, it is not true that the radius finds the "size" of the particle - the radius is determined by m, v, and q.
Since the smallest semicircle size is -R/4 particle 7 path d? So negative particles go clockwise and positive particles counter clockwise
 
kilnvzol said:
Since the smallest semicircle size is -R/4 particle 7 path d? So negative particles go clockwise and positive particles counter clockwise

Makes sense to me - keep going.
 
phyzguy said:
Makes sense to me - keep going.
Thank you so much! I got it :D
 
kilnvzol said:
Thank you so much! I got it :D

You're welcome. Glad I could help.
 

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