Solving Schrödinger Eq. for Harmonic Oscillator

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The discussion revolves around solving the Schrödinger equation for a harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the substitutions needed to arrive at a particular equation referenced as 2.56. Participants are examining the mathematical transformations involved in this process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the substitutions required in the Schrödinger equation, while others provide insights on how to perform these substitutions, particularly regarding the second derivative and its transformation. Questions are raised about the validity of certain steps in the differentiation process.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical details, with some providing guidance on the differentiation process and clarifying misconceptions. There is a productive exchange of ideas, although the original poster's understanding is still developing.

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The original poster has referenced attachments for additional context, which are pending approval. There is an indication of confusion regarding the application of derivatives in the context of the substitutions being discussed.

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I wonder if someone could help me to arrive at equation 2.56 by performing the substitutions. Please see the attachment

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Please see the attachment for this part. and also for the attempt of a solution.
 

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You don't show your work, so I cannot figure out what you did. This is what I would do. There are two substitutions in the original Schrödinger equation. First replace

[tex]x^{2}=\frac{\hbar}{m \omega}\xi^{2}[/tex]

Secondly, you need to replace the second derivative in x with the second derivative in ξ. Use the chain rule

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}=\frac{d \xi}{dx}\frac{d}{d \xi}=\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}\frac{d}{d \xi}[/tex]

Repeat to get the second derivative and plug in. It should come out as advertised.
 
First, thanks for replying. Well the main question here is why the next happens:

[tex]\frac{1}{mw}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}=\frac{d^2\psi}{d\xi^2}[\tex]<br /> <br /> Because if you take the second derivative of xi, you get this:<br /> <br /> [tex]\frac{d\xi}{dx}=\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}[\tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]\Rightarrow\frac{d^2\xi}{dx^2}=0[\tex]<br /> <br /> Because:<br /> <br /> [tex]\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}=constant[\tex]<br /> <br /> so you can't get there by taking the second derivative of xi or x.<br /> <br /> Sorry i don't know how to make tex to work but i have attached the reply.[/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex]
 

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I cannot see the pdf yet (pending approval) but the LateX code shows that you think that because

[tex] \frac{d}{dx}=\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}\frac{d}{d \xi}[/tex]

you think that the second derivative vanishes because

[tex] \sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}= constant[/tex]

That is not true. Remember that the derivative operates on a function. Let's put one in (I suggest that you do so until you get used to the algebra of operators) and see what happens. From the top

[tex]\frac{d \psi}{dx}=\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}\frac{d \psi}{d \xi}[/tex]

Then taking the derivative with respect to x once more,

[tex]\frac{d^{2} \psi}{dx^{2}}=\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}\frac{d}{dx}(\frac{d \psi}{d \xi})=\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}}\frac{d}{d \xi}(\frac{d \psi}{d \xi})[/tex]

Note that when you take the derivative once more, a product rule is implied where only one term in the product is constant. Can you finish it now?
 
Yes, i got it now, thanks for the help
 

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