Solving simultaneous linear difference equations

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The discussion revolves around the solution of simultaneous linear difference equations and the properties of diagonalizable matrices. Participants explore the transition from the equation v_n+1 = Av_n to the expression v_n = A^nv_0, seeking clarification on the reasoning behind this process.

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  • One participant presents a system of simultaneous linear difference equations and expresses confusion about the transition from v_n+1 = Av_n to v_n = A^nv_0.
  • Another participant suggests that by plugging in values and repeatedly applying the matrix A, one can derive the expression v_n = A^n v_0, but does not clarify whether this is a formal proof or an intuitive approach.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the reasoning behind the transition between the equations.

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Participants do not fully explore the underlying assumptions or the formal proof of the transition from v_n+1 = Av_n to v_n = A^nv_0, leaving some mathematical steps unresolved.

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Hi

Was wondering if anyone could help me with this topic, which relates to the solution of simultaneous linear difference equations and diagonizable matrices.

Sorry for the lack of latex, but as such I will denote an exponent by "^" and a subscript by "_".

Say we have a system of simultaneous linear difference equations

x_n+1 = ax_n + by_n
y_n+1 = cx_n + dy_n

where a, b, c, d are numbers, and "x_n+1" etc is "x subscript n+1".

Denote v_n by the column vector (x_n , y_n) and let the coefficients a, b, c, d form a matrix
A= a b
c d

Then we can write v_n+1 = Av_n.

The solution of the system is then meant to be, in general, v_n = A^nv_0,
where A^n is matrix A raised to power n, calculated by considering that P^-1AP = D (diagonal) and so A^n = PD^nP^-1,

where P^-1 is the inverse of the matrix P, viz the matrix formed by eigenvectors.

Thanks very much for any help in advance.
 
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Sorry, just realized that I didn't in fact highlight what I don't understand!
Basically I don't understand the whole reason why we can go from v_n+1 = Av_n to v_n = A^nv_0 (ie the process to do this); is it induction of some kind?

This type of problem must be fairly easy but I can't see it.

Best wishes.
 
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I'm not sure I understand what you're asking, but I see it this way... v_1 = A v_0 right? Just plug in n=0 into the difference equation. Then multiply both sides of the equation by A, and what do you get? A v_1 = A A v_0 = A^2 v_0. But we already know what A v_1 is by the difference equation again. It's v_2. So, v_2 = A^2 v_0. Keep multiplying by A, and see that v_n = A^n v_0.
 

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