Solving Sinusoidal Diff EQ: Lagrangian Equation Problem

[SonOfOle]

Homework Statement

\ddot{\Theta}=C \sin{\Theta} where \Theta is a function of time, and C is a constant.

I ran into this on a Lagrangian Equation problem, and though the problem doesn't ask for the solution, I'm wondering how one would solve this Diff EQ. I'm afraid my intro to Diff EQ class was a couple years back and I'm coming up short with any ideas.

Thanks.

 

[EngageEngage]

what function do you differentiate twice to get a sin with a constant in front?

 

[Defennder]

You can solve this by noting that the second order derivative of theta is purely a function of theta alone. This means that \theta'' = f(\theta)

By the chain rule:

\frac{d^2 \theta}{dt^2} = \frac{d}{d\theta} \left( \frac{{\theta'}^2}{2} \right) = C \sin \theta

This is separable and solvable. Once you have solved for \theta ', you can use solve for theta again using separation of variables

 

[SonOfOle]

You can solve this by noting that the second order derivative of theta is purely a function of theta alone. This means that \theta'' = f(\theta)

By the chain rule:

\frac{d^2 \theta}{dt^2} = \frac{d}{d\theta} \left( \frac{{\theta'}^2}{2} \right) = C \sin \theta

This is separable and solvable. Once you have solved for \theta ', you can use solve for theta again using separation of variables

Alright, so:

\frac{d^2 \theta}{dt^2} = \frac{d}{d\theta} \left( \frac{{\theta'}^2}{2} \right) = C \sin \theta

\left( \frac{{\theta'}^2}{2} \right) = (C_{1} \cos \theta) + C_{2}

\theta = \int \sqrt{(C_{1} \cos \theta)+C_{2}} dt

How would I use separation of variables here?

 

[HallsofIvy]

By separating the variables before you integrate!
\theta '= \sqrt{2C cos(\theta)+ C_2}
Where I have incorporated the "2C<sub>2[/sup]" into the unknown constant C2 (but not C1= 2C; C is a given number, not an unknown).

d\theta= \sqrt{2C cos(\theta)+ C_2}dt
\int \frac{d\theta}{\sqrt{2C cos(\theta)+ C2}}= \int dt[/itex]<br /> <br /> That integral on the left looks to me like an &quot;elliptic integral&quot; which cannot be integrated in terms of elementary functions.</sub>

 

[Defennder]

That's not what you should get. You should have \frac{1}{\sqrt{c_1 - 2 \cos \theta}} d\theta = dt

But I see a problem here. I don't know of a way to integrate the LHS.

 

[SonOfOle]

Thanks all. That helps. It's coming back, just slowly at times.

 

[nicksauce]

Of course, the traditional way to solve it is to make a small angle approximation, and forget about the cases where that isn't valid. :p