Solving the Coin Flips Problem - Probability of Tails After 9 Heads

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the probability of flipping a coin and getting tails after having flipped heads nine times in a row. Participants explore the implications of independence in probability, the nature of fair coins, and the psychological aspects of probability perception.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the probability of getting tails on the tenth flip remains 50% since each flip is independent.
  • Another participant questions the fairness of the coin if it has shown heads nine times, suggesting that it might be weighted towards heads, thus affecting the perceived probability of tails.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the contradiction between theoretical probability and observed outcomes, suggesting that repeated heads might lead one to believe that the next flip is more likely to be heads.
  • Further elaboration indicates that no amount of trials can definitively determine the fairness of the coin, emphasizing that probability statements are linked to likely outcomes rather than certainties.
  • Participants discuss the implications of assuming a fair coin versus an unknown fairness, noting that outcomes can only provide estimates of fairness under additional assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of probability in this context. While some maintain that the probability remains 50%, others suggest that the observed outcomes could influence perceptions of probability, leading to a lack of consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of determining probability based solely on outcomes, noting that assumptions about the fairness of the coin play a crucial role in the discussion.

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Hi, If I flip a fair coin 9 times and each time it comes up heads what is the probability that on the tenth time I flip the coin it will come up tails?

At first I thought the probability that the coin would come up tails would be 50% as each coin flip is an independent event. But I was thinking surely that the probability of flipping a tail after 9 heads should be greater than 50% right?

This is isn't a homework question (I'm too old to go to school!) it's just something that has been bugging me!
 
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A fair coin is one that comes up heads 50% and tails 50%, so the answer is 50%.

If you saw a coin come up heads 9 times in a row, you might question whether it was a fair coin. If it's a weighted coin, it's probably weighted to come up heads more often, in which case the chance of heads is more than 50%. I wouldn't ever guess the chance of tails as more than 50% in that situation.
 
While I understand probabilities quite well (at a senior high school level), I still allow myself to become consumed with these types of contradictions. While reading through your question, and seeing where you were going with it before actually getting to the part:
But I was thinking surely that the probability of flipping a tail after 9 heads should be greater than 50% right?
I rather thought you were going to say the opposite. If 2 events are supposedly of equal probability (as this coin should be) but one keeps happening while the other never does. Wouldn't it also be safe to assume that the next event will be the one that has been happening consistently (heads) rather than the one that has yet to occur (tails).
Some might start to become skeptical at the idea that the events might not be of equal probabilities (while theoretically they are still equal).
 
Mentallic said:
While I understand probabilities quite well (at a senior high school level), I still allow myself to become consumed with these types of contradictions. While reading through your question, and seeing where you were going with it before actually getting to the part:

I rather thought you were going to say the opposite. If 2 events are supposedly of equal probability (as this coin should be) but one keeps happening while the other never does. Wouldn't it also be safe to assume that the next event will be the one that has been happening consistently (heads) rather than the one that has yet to occur (tails).
Some might start to become skeptical at the idea that the events might not be of equal probabilities (while theoretically they are still equal).

It depends on ones assumptions.
The OP stated that the coin was fair.
No amount of trials can determine a probability with any certainty.
The only statemets that can be made are those linking probability to likely outcomes.
Say we flip a coin of unknown fairness one million times and get heads each time.
We might say things like
If that was a fair coin, that outcome was very unusual.
If that was a very stongly heads favoring coin the result was usual.
If that was a very stongly tails favoring coin the result was exceptionally unusual.

We can use the outcome to eastamate the fairness, but only in a roundabout way, and only with additional assumptions.
 

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