Solving the D3x D3p Invariant Puzzle

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The discussion focuses on demonstrating that the product d3x d3p is Lorentz invariant. Participants clarify that the goal is to show d3x d3p = d3x' d3p', simplifying the problem by focusing on momentum p in one dimension. The transformation equations for position and momentum under a Lorentz boost are explored, emphasizing the relationship between changes in position and momentum. It is suggested that proving the invariance in one dimension can be extended to three dimensions. The conversation concludes with a reminder that standard Lorentz transformations typically assume motion along the x-axis.
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Hello, I have probably quit easy task, but I don't know how show that d3x d3p is a Lorentz invariant.

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I mean I have to show that d3x d3p = d3x' d3p', where ' marks other system. I can prove ds2=ds'2, but I am not sure what with p?
Assume boost in x-way:
x'=g(x-vt) => dx'=g(dx-vdt) , where g=1/(1-(v/c)2)...is it right?
what about p?
 
Vrbic said:
x'=g(x-vt) => dx'=g(dx-vdt) , where g=1/(1-(v/c)2)...is it right?
what about p?
yes that's right. What does p=? You've got dx right, can you write dp in terms of dx? (or rather right p in terms of dx)? If you can, then you should be able to handle the situation.

Remember, you're not trying to show that ##d^3(xp)## is invariant, you're trying to show that ##d^3x*d^3p## is invariant, which is sufficiently easier than the former.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
yes that's right. What does p=? You've got dx right, can you write dp in terms of dx? (or rather right p in terms of dx)? If you can, then you should be able to handle the situation.

Remember, you're not trying to show that ##d^3(xp)## is invariant, you're trying to show that ##d^3x*d^3p## is invariant, which is sufficiently easier than the former.
p is momentum, well p=mv. v=\frac{dx}{dt}. t'=g(t-\frac{V}{c^2}x)->dt'=g(dt-\frac{V}{c^2}dx), where V is movement between o and o' and is constant. So can I say v'=\frac{dx'}{dt'}=\frac{g(dx-Vdt)}{g(dt-\frac{V}{c^2}dx)}?
 
No reason to carry the t through. You're trying to show that ##\frac{d^3x}{dt^3}\frac{d^3p}{dt^3} = \frac{d^3x'}{dt'^3}\frac{d^3p'}{dt'^3} \rightarrow d^3xd^3p=d^3x'd^3p'##
But yes, that's the right idea.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
No reason to carry the t through. You're trying to show that ##\frac{d^3x}{dt^3}\frac{d^3p}{dt^3} = \frac{d^3x'}{dt'^3}\frac{d^3p'}{dt'^3} \rightarrow d^3xd^3p=d^3x'd^3p'##
But yes, that's the right idea.
Can I prove it just for one dimension and suppose the others will be same? It means prove dx'dp'=dxdp
 
Vrbic said:
Can I prove it just for one dimension and suppose the others will be same? It means prove dx'dp'=dxdp
You mean for momentum?
I would assume that the momentum was p in the x direction and 0 in y and z. Otherwise you need to do the lorentz transformations for a 3d velocity. The standard transforms you see online (i think) tend to be for a velocity in the x direction.
 
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