Solving the Mystery of the Missing Term in the Compton Effect Formula

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the final energy formula in the Compton effect, highlighting a discrepancy in the terms when subtracting two equations derived from conservation laws. The user notes a missing term in their calculations, specifically a "m_0c^2" that should not be present according to the book. They realize that the correct relationship involves the dispersion relation for a particle of mass m_0, leading to the equation E^2 - (m_0c^2)^2 = (cP)^2. This understanding clarifies the confusion regarding the missing term and the derivation process. Ultimately, the user expresses gratitude for the insights gained during the discussion.
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Hello everyone, I have a question regarding a formula which can be derived from conservation of momentum and energy in the Compton effect.
From conservation of momentum and energy during the collision of a photon with an electron, it is possible to get two expressions for the final energy E of the electron:

E^2=(Q_0-Q)^2+2(Q_0-Q)m_0*c^2+(m_0*c^2)^2
and
(cP)^2=Q_0^2-2*QQ_0cosΘ+Q^2

where Q and Q_0 are the final and initial energies of the photon and Θ the angle between the momentum vector of the photon before hitting the electron and after.

The problem arises when, to derivate the final formula, the two equations are subtracted and one term seems to go missing, as the book says it is:

2QQ_0(1-cosΘ)-2(Q_0-Q)m_0c^2=0

whereas I have

2QQ_0(1-cosΘ)-(2Q_0-2Q-m_0c^2)m_0c^2=0, so I basically have a "m_0c^2" which should not be there.
Could some explain what I'm missing there?

I'm sure it's something really silly, so thanks in advance for the answers! :)
 
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E and cP are not equal. They satisfy the dispersion relation for a particle of mass m_0 ...
 
I see. In fact, the book does not mention it and I'm realising why.
So, since to get the formula I'm subtracting the two equations and I now that the RHS is zero, does this mean that E^2-(m_0*c^2)^2 = (cP)^2? This would explain why I could not get the correct final formula, but I'm still not completely sure about why E^2-(m_0*c^2)^2 = (cP)^2.
 
simon96c said:
but I'm still not completely sure about why E^2-(m_0*c^2)^2 = (cP)^2.
This is the fundamental dispersion relation for a particle of mass m_0. In fact, it is how we define mass in relativity.
 
I've looked it up and now I think I have understood. Thank you for the answer!
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks
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