Solving this equation: d(xy)/dx = a^xy

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The discussion focuses on solving the differential equation d(xy)/dx = a^xy, with participants suggesting methods that utilize the chain rule and integration. One method involves multiplying both sides by a known derivative to apply the chain rule effectively, leading to the integration of a logarithmic function. Another approach simplifies the equation by treating xy as a single variable, allowing for straightforward integration. Participants clarify that differentiating with respect to xy is valid since it can be treated as a function of x. The conversation emphasizes the application of single-variable calculus techniques to solve the equation.
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Can anyone suggest a method of solving this equation:

d(xy)/dx = a^xy (Where ^ means raised to the power)

Don't try a series solution.
 
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We have
\frac{d(xy)}{dx}=a^{xy}
multiply both sided by a known derivative
\frac{d(a^{-xy})}{d(xy)} \ \frac{d(xy)}{dx}=a^{xy}\frac{d(a^{-xy})}{d(xy)}
use the chain rule on the left the know derivative on the right
\frac{d(a^{-xy})}{dx}=a^{xy}a^{-xy}\frac{d(-xy)}{d(xy)}\log(a)
simplify and integrate
a^{-xy}=\int -\log(a)dx
you should be able to finish things up
 
Another perhaps simpler method
\frac{d(xy)}{dx}=a^{xy}
by the chain rule
\frac{du}{dv} \ \frac{dv}{du}=1
so
\frac{dx}{d(xy)}=a^{-xy}
write in differential form
dx=a^{-xy}d(xy)
integrate
x+C=-\frac{a^{-xy}}{\log(a)}
I hope your ambiguous a^xy
means a^(xy) not (a^x)y
 
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wow~
how'd you think of those two methods?
 
asdf1 said:
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wow~
how'd you think of those two methods?
They just spring to mind. They also use the same ideas.
For the first one I knew I wanted to multiply the right side by a^(-xy) to get a constant, but I wanted it in a form d(f)/d(xy) so that I could use the chain rule on the left, so d(a^(-xy))/d(xy) was a good choice.
For the second one using the chain rule to flip the derivative seemed to be helpful, since the right hand side has a simple multiplicative inverse, and is a function of xy that is easy to integrate (with respect xy).
 
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\frac{d(a^{-xy})}{dx}=a^{xy}a^{-xy}\frac{d(-xy)}{d(xy)}\log(a)

how'd you take a derivative of two variables, is this multivariable calculus?
 
you have a really great mind~
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when i first saw that problem, nothing sprang into my mind...
 
GCT said:
\frac{d(a^{-xy})}{dx}=a^{xy}a^{-xy}\frac{d(-xy)}{d(xy)}\log(a)

how'd you take a derivative of two variables, is this multivariable calculus?
It is just the chain rule of single variable calculus.
\frac{df}{dx}=\frac{df}{du} \ \frac{du}{dx}
So we can differentiate with respect to xy or some other function of x. What ever function we use is u in the above. For example
\frac{d(\sin(xy))}{d(xy)}=\cos(xy)
The xy can be treated as a variable. It might be easier to see when xy is written u=xy.
The equation you quote is only true of y that satisfy the differential equation, but it is easy to see its truth in those cases.
\frac{d(a^{-xy})}{dx}=-a^{-xy}\log(a)\frac{d(xy)}{dx}=-a^{xy}a^{-xy}\log(a)=-\log(a)
where the given differential equation
\frac{d(xy)}{dx}=a^{xy}
has been used
I will do this once more, attempting to avoid writing derivatives that look strange. All three of these workings are essentially the same.
The given equation
\frac{d(xy)}{dx}=a^{ax}
obvious algebra
a^{-xy}\frac{d(xy)}{dx}=1
integrate
\int a^{-xy}\frac{d(xy)}{dx} \ dx=\int 1 \ dx
performing the integration (the left can be easily seen substituting u=xy)
\frac{-1}{\log(a)}a^{-xy}=x+c
now the same letting u=xy throughout
\frac{d(u)}{dx}=a^{u}
obvious algebra
a^{-u}\frac{d(u)}{dx}=1
integrate
\int a^{-u}\frac{d(u)}{dx} \ dx=\int 1 \ dx
performing the integration
\frac{-1}{\log(a)}a^{-u}=x+c
 
hmm, I thought that differentiating/integrating two dummy variables might be an issue, although I have only taken integral calculus and intro differential equations, skipped multivariable. Anyways, thanks for the details.
 
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GCT said:
hmm, I thought that differentiating/integrating two dummy variables might be an issue, although I have only taken integral calculus and intro differential equations, skipped multivariable. Anyways, thanks for the details.
We need not think of it that way since y=y(x)
In other words xy is some function of x, not a function of x and y.
 
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