Solving Trig Sub in Homework: Integral of (16x-2x^2-23)^1/2 dx

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The problem involves evaluating the integral of the square root of a quadratic expression, specifically (16x-2x^2-23)^(1/2) dx. The subject area is integral calculus, focusing on techniques for integrating functions involving radicals.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to complete the square and considers trigonometric substitution but expresses uncertainty about the applicability of the method due to the form of the expression. Other participants suggest alternative substitutions, such as setting x-4 as t or using a sine substitution to simplify the integral.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various substitution methods and discussing the implications of their choices. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential substitutions that could simplify the integral, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster feeling lost and desperate for help, indicating a struggle with the problem. The discussion includes considerations of the negative sign under the integral and the challenges posed by the radical expression.

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Homework Statement


integral of (16x-2x^2-23)^1/2 dx


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The Attempt at a Solution


First off it seems clear that I must complete the square within the radical.
This gives ((x-4)^2-4.5)^1/2

From there I seem to be lost, fumbling through my book for any kind of help. Can I use a trig integration, such as using the form (a^2-x^2)^1/2 to substitute x=asecT? I don't think so because (x-4)^2 cannot be treated like x^2.

I also cannot find any possible u-sub that will work because of the radical over the entire problem.

Any type of guidance is very much appreciated!
 
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moloko said:
I don't think so because (x-4)^2 cannot be treated like x^2.

Set x-4 as t, and integrate wrt t.
 
Some work...

integral signs before everything

a=sqrt(4.5)
x-4 = asecT
dx=asecTtanTdTsqrt[-2*(asecT)^2-4.5] * sqrt[4.5] * secTtanTdT

sqrt[-2*(4.5sec^2(T)-4.5)*4.5] * secTtanTdT

sqrt[(-40.5)(tan^2(T)] * secTtanTdT

Subbing T=arcsec((x-4)/a)

sqrt[(-40.5)(tan^2(arcsec(T))] * sec(arcsec(T))tan(arcsec(T))dT

..heres where I start to get lost
I know sec(arcsec(t)) is just T.
I know you can do a case for tan(arcsec(T))..
if x>=1 =) sqrt(x^2-1)
or x<1 =) -sqrt(x^2-1)

though I don't think that helps much.

I'm very lost and desperate for some help, any advice is appreciated. Thank you.
 
Try putting (x-4)=a*sin(T). Since sin^2(T)-1=-cos^2(T) this will take care of the awkward negative sign under the integral and make your life overall much easier.
 

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