Solving Trigonometry Problems: How to Find CE Using the Cosine Rule

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The discussion revolves around finding the length CE in a triangle using trigonometric principles, particularly the cosine rule and sine rule. Participants are exploring various methods to derive CE, including algebraic manipulations and geometric interpretations.

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  • Some participants attempt to apply the cosine rule to derive a quadratic equation for CE, while others suggest using the sine rule as a potentially faster method. There are discussions about deriving the cosine rule and solving for the altitude of the triangle instead.

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Participants are actively sharing different approaches and questioning the validity of their methods. There is a mix of algebraic manipulation and geometric reasoning being explored, with some expressing doubts about the outcomes of their calculations.

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Some participants mention the challenge of obtaining a single solution for CE when using the quadratic formula, indicating a concern about the uniqueness of the solution. There are also references to specific angles and relationships within the triangle that are under consideration.

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Homework Statement



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I don't understand how to get CE.

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Trigonometric identities (maybe)

The Attempt at a Solution


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First, I start with the cosine rule
CB^2 = AC^2 + AB^2 - 2 AC AB cos α
(CE/sin(β))^2 = (CE/sin(α))^2 + L^2 - 2 (CE/sin(α)) L cos α

which is going to be a quadratic equation and it's hard to obtain what CE is (using this method)
Please help
 
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Try the usual way you derive the cosine rule - except solving for the altitude of the triangle instead of factoring it out.
 
I think using sine rule to find a side first is a faster way
 
Simon Bridge said:
Try the usual way you derive the cosine rule - except solving for the altitude of the triangle instead of factoring it out.

I get this ##(\frac{1}{(sin^2(\beta))})CE^2+(\frac{2\ L\cos \alpha}{sin \ \alpha})CE-L^2=0##

Then, use the quadratic formula to solve CE??
But if I use quadratic formula, there will be two solutions, but there is only one CE.
And I doubt if the solution obtained will be the same as in the photo I gave
 
PPHT123 said:
I think using sine rule to find a side first is a faster way

CB/ sin alpha = CA / sin beta

CE = CA sin alpha
CE = CB sin beta

Then whatt??
 
terryds said:
CB/ sin alpha = CA / sin beta

CE = CA sin alpha
CE = CB sin beta

Then whatt??
angle ACB = 180 - a -b
you can try to use L/sin(180-a-b) = ??
 
PPHT123 said:
angle ACB = 180 - a -b
you can try to use L/sin(180-a-b) = ??

Angle ACB = 180 - (a + b)
sin(180-(a+b)) = sin (a+b)

L/sin(a+b) = CB/ sin (a) = CA / sin (b)

Then??
How to make CE (the altitude) show up o_O?
 
terryds said:
Angle ACB = 180 - (a + b)
sin(180-(a+b)) = sin (a+b)

L/sin(a+b) = CB/ sin (a) = CA / sin (b)

Then??
How to make CE (the altitude) show up o_O?
You succeeded to express CB (or CA) in terms of L , a and b. Then what is CB sin(b) ?
 
PPHT123 said:
You succeeded to express CB (or CA) in terms of L , a and b. Then what is CB sin(b) ?
L/sin(a+b) = CE/sin(a)Sin(b)
CE = L sin(a) sin(b)/ sin(a+b)

Thanks a lot for your help bro
 
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Homework Statement



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I don't understand how to get CE.

Homework Equations


Trigonometric identities (maybe)

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
First, I start with the cosine rule
CB^2 = AC^2 + AB^2 - 2 AC AB cos α
(CE/sin(β))^2 = (CE/sin(α))^2 + L^2 - 2 (CE/sin(α)) L cos α

which is going to be a quadratic equation and it's hard to obtain what CE is (using this method)
Please help
##AE/CE = \cot(\alpha)## and ##BE/CE = \cot(\beta)##. Now add and manipulate.
 

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