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The discussion revolves around a concept presented in Griffiths' Introduction to Quantum Mechanics regarding the velocity of an insect's shadow in relation to the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of shadow movement and information transmission in the context of quantum mechanics and wave theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Liu questions Griffiths' assertion that the velocity of an insect's shadow is proportional to the distance between the light source and the shadow, proposing instead that the shadow's velocity is the same as the insect's velocity.
  • One participant suggests that Liu's interpretation holds true only for a central light source emitting parallel rays, indicating a distinction in scenarios involving spherical light sources.
  • Liu raises a hypothetical scenario where a shadow moves faster than the speed of light, questioning whether this could allow for information transmission beyond light speed using a negative film and a supercomputer.
  • Another participant introduces a thought experiment involving a radio station transmitting information to multiple locations, questioning if information could be perceived as transmitted faster than light under certain conditions.
  • A later reply discusses the nature of the shadow's movement at great distances, suggesting it would take on a spiral shape and that timing delays would occur due to light transit time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of shadow velocity and information transmission, with no consensus reached on the validity of Liu's claims or the scenarios presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about light behavior, shadow dynamics, and the nature of information transmission, which remain unresolved and may depend on specific definitions and conditions.

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Hi, I am Liu, a undergraduate in mainland China, I post out this idea and want to
see how you gentleman think, here it is:

Griffiths says, in his book < Introduction to Quantum Mechanics >, if an insect fly
in a path perpendicular to the direction in which lightbeam goes, the velocity of
its shadow is proportional to the distance between light source and shadow.

I think the problem is, the velocity of insect's shadow is same as insect's v.

From perspective of wave theory, you can draw a picture below:

--Goal plane---
|||\ \|||||||||
||||\ \||||||||
|||||\ \|||||||
||2|||\1\|||2||
|||||||\ \|||||
||||||||\ \||||
||||||||||●->||
            V
Two parts of the space is divided, 1 is for in which light doesn't exist, opposite the 2,
and ● is the insect.
Now think of the move of "slash tunnel", it is like "be pushed by light", hence the end of
the tunnel, or the shadow, is moving at the insect's speed on the goal plane.
Am I right?

Sorry for grammar error, if any.
 
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It would be true for Griffith if he is talking about a central light source that radiates spherically - the rays are not parallel.

In your case you have parallel light rays, so in your case your version is true.
 
Thank you for replying, I get it.

So further question, once you have a shadow traveling with v larger than
speed of light, we now set a negative film far far away, rolling like a tape,
and shot bullets in front of the source in certain frequencies, meanwhile we
are very lucky that there's a supercomputer interpreting those shadow
frequencies into human language, didn't we just give information over the
speed of light ?
 
What you think the answer is to this question may help: A radio station is transmitting information in all directions. If houses A, B, and C are all 50 km from the station and are the vertices of an equilateral triangle with the station at its center, can one say that information received at A was transmitted faster than the speed of light to B and C?
 
Right, that is much clearer. Thanks.
 
liumylife said:
Thank you for replying, I get it.

So further question, once you have a shadow traveling with v larger than
speed of light, we now set a negative film far far away, rolling like a tape,
and shot bullets in front of the source in certain frequencies, meanwhile we
are very lucky that there's a supercomputer interpreting those shadow
frequencies into human language, didn't we just give information over the
speed of light ?

The shadow will not be a straight like but, at great distances, a spiral shape, spreading outward at the speed of light. A distant receiver will see flashes (as from a lighthouse) and there timing will be delayed due to the transit time for the light.
 
liumylife said:
Right, that is much clearer. Thanks.

Clearer in that I've restated your problem, or in that you saw my point? :-)
 
James_Harford said:
Clearer in that I've restated your problem, or in that you saw my point? :-)
I saw your point. Thank you, everyone.
 
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