Spatial and temporal periods and periodic functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of periodic functions, particularly in the context of spatial and temporal variables. Participants explore the definitions and implications of periodicity in both single-variable and multivariable scenarios, examining how these concepts apply to functions of space and time.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a periodic function is defined by the relation ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + nT)##, with ##\theta## potentially being a function of both space and time.
  • There is a proposal that in a multivariable context, a function can be periodic with a vector of periods, suggesting that periodicity can extend beyond scalar definitions.
  • One participant notes a specific case where plotting the wave function ##f(\theta(x,t)) = \cos(kx - wt)## shows that ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + m \lambda)## holds, but ##f(\theta) \neq f(\theta + n T)##, raising questions about the relationship between spatial and temporal periodicity.
  • Another participant reports a different outcome when plotting a similar function in GnuPlot, where both spatial and temporal periodicity appear to hold, indicating a potential discrepancy in the understanding or application of periodicity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of periodicity in functions of space and time, with no consensus reached on the implications of their findings or the definitions of periodic functions in these contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the conditions under which spatial and temporal periodicities are equivalent or distinct, as well as the implications of multivariable periodic functions. The discussion highlights the complexity of defining periodicity across different dimensions.

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A periodic function is one that ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + nT)##, by definition. However, the argument ##\theta## can be function of space and time ( ##\theta(x, t)## ), so exist 2 lines of development, one spatial and other temporal: $$f(\theta) = f(kx + \varphi) = f(2 \pi \xi x + \varphi) = f\left(\frac{2 \pi x}{\lambda} + \varphi \right)$$ $$f(\theta) = f(\omega t + \varphi) = f(2 \pi \nu t + \varphi) = f\left(\frac{2 \pi t}{T} + \varphi \right)$$ or the both together: $$f(\theta) = f(kx + \omega t + \varphi) = f(2 \pi \xi x + 2 \pi \nu t + \varphi) = f\left(\frac{2 \pi x}{\lambda} + \frac{2 \pi t}{T} + \varphi \right)$$ so, becomes obvius that ##\lambda## is the analogus of ##T##, thus the correct wound't be say that a periodic function is one that ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + nT + m\lambda)## ?
 
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A periodic function is one that ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + nT)##, by definition. However, the argument ##\theta## can be function of space and time ( ##\theta(x, t)## ), so exist 2 lines of development, one spatial and other temporal: $$f(\theta) = f(kx + \varphi) = f(2 \pi \xi x + \varphi) = f\left(\frac{2 \pi x}{\lambda} + \varphi \right)$$ $$f(\theta) = f(\omega t + \varphi) = f(2 \pi \nu t + \varphi) = f\left(\frac{2 \pi t}{T} + \varphi \right)$$ or the both together: $$f(\theta) = f(kx + \omega t + \varphi) = f(2 \pi \xi x + 2 \pi \nu t + \varphi) = f\left(\frac{2 \pi x}{\lambda} + \frac{2 \pi t}{T} + \varphi \right)$$ so, becomes obvius that ##\lambda## is the analogus of ##T##, thus the correct wound't be say that a periodic function is one that ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + nT + m\lambda)## ?

If you want to generalize the notion of a periodic function of a single variable to a multivariable situation, the most natural way to do that is to say that ##f:\mathbb{R}^n\rightarrow \mathbb{R}^m## is periodic with period ##\vec{T}\in\mathbb{R}^n## iff ##f(\vec{x})=f(\vec{x}+n\vec{T})## for all ##\vec{x}\in\mathbb{R}^n## and ##n\in\mathbb{Z}##; i.e. the period is a vector/##n##-tuple rather than a scalar. Unlike the single variable case, the mutivariate case can have multiple linearly independent periods, although we wouldn't necessitate that to be true. There are some fun theorems that can be proven regarding the number of ##\mathbb{Q}##-linearly independent periods that a continuous function can have.
 
happens that when I ploted in the geogebra the wave ##f(\theta(x,t)) = \cos(kx - wt)## happened that ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + m \lambda)## but ##f(\theta) \neq f(\theta + n T)## Why?
 
Jhenrique said:
happens that when I ploted in the geogebra the wave ##f(\theta(x,t)) = \cos(kx - wt)## happened that ##f(\theta) = f(\theta + m \lambda)## but ##f(\theta) \neq f(\theta + n T)## Why?

That's weird. When I plot ##f(\Phi(\sigma,\tau)) = \cos(\alpha\sigma - \beta\tau)## in GnuPlot, I get both ##f(\Phi)=f(\Phi+m\nu)## and ##f(\Phi)=f(\Phi+n\mu)##.
 

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