Specific heat ratio of gas mixture

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The discussion revolves around calculating the specific heat ratio, ##\gamma##, for a gas mixture in the context of multi-fluid hydrodynamic modeling. Participants explore the relationship between the specific heat capacities of individual species and the overall mixture, addressing both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for calculating the specific heat ratio ##\gamma## based on the specific heat ratios and number densities of individual species in a gas mixture.
  • Another participant suggests that the heat capacity of the mixture can be calculated as a weighted average of the heat capacities of the pure gases, but does not directly address the specific heat ratio.
  • Several participants emphasize that the specific heat ratio ##\gamma## cannot simply be derived as a weighted average of the individual species' specific heat ratios, indicating a more complex relationship.
  • There is a discussion about how to derive individual specific heat values from ##\gamma##, with one participant noting that knowing ##\gamma## only provides the ratio of the specific heats.
  • A later reply mentions that the difference between the specific heats is equal to the gas constant R, suggesting a potential pathway to resolve the earlier queries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to calculate the specific heat ratio for a gas mixture, with no consensus reached on the correct approach. Some participants agree on the complexity of deriving ##\gamma## from individual species' values, while others propose different methods without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in calculating the specific heat ratio from individual species, nor do they clarify the assumptions underlying their approaches.

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I am doing some multi-fluid hydrodynamic modelling and I have a quick question. I think I know the answer, but I am not convinced. One of the things that I need to know is the specific heat ratio, ##\gamma##, for the gas and my question is, how does one calculate this from the values of each species in the mixture.

At a given point, I know for each species the specific heat ratio, ##\gamma_i##, and number density, ##n_i##. The thermal energy density is

$$\epsilon = \frac{p}{\gamma-1},$$

where ##p## is the thermal pressure. The thermal energy density is equal to the sums of the values for each individual species

$$\epsilon = \sum_i \epsilon_i = \sum_i \frac{p_i}{\gamma_i - 1}.$$

Inserting ##p = n k_B T## (where ##n = \sum_i n_i##) and ##p_i = n_i k_B T## (therefore assuming all species have the same temperature) gives

$$\frac{n k_B T}{\gamma - 1} = \sum_i \frac{n_i k_B T}{\gamma_i - 1},$$

which can be rearranged to give

$$\gamma = \frac{n}{\sum_i \left( \frac{n_i}{\gamma_i - 1} \right) } + 1.$$

This ##\gamma## is the value that I want. Am I correct here or have I made a mistake somewhere?
 
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For an ideal gas mixture, the heat capacity of the mixture at constant pressure or at constant volume is a weighted average of the corresponding heat capacities of the pure gases, weighted in proportion to their mole fractions:

$$C_{mixture}=\sum_{i=1}^n{y_iC_i}$$
where n is the number of gases present.
 
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Thanks for the response. It doesn't really answer the question though. I am asking about the specific heat ratio ##\gamma=C_\mathrm{P}/C_\mathrm{V}##. If we use the weighted sums, we get

$$\gamma=\frac{C_\mathrm{P}}{C_\mathrm{V}} = \frac{\sum_i y_i C_{\mathrm{P},i}}{
\sum_i y_i C_{\mathrm{V},i}
}$$

For this quantity, you can't simply take the weighted averages of $\gamma$ for each species.

$$\gamma \ne \sum_i y_i \gamma_i$$
 
colinjohnstoe said:
Thanks for the response. It doesn't really answer the question though. I am asking about the specific heat ratio ##\gamma=C_\mathrm{P}/C_\mathrm{V}##. If we use the weighted sums, we get

$$\gamma=\frac{C_\mathrm{P}}{C_\mathrm{V}} = \frac{\sum_i y_i C_{\mathrm{P},i}}{
\sum_i y_i C_{\mathrm{V},i}
}$$

For this quantity, you can't simply take the weighted averages of $\gamma$ for each species.

$$\gamma \ne \sum_i y_i \gamma_i$$
So? If you know the gammas, then you know each of the specific heat values individually.
 
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Chestermiller said:
So? If you know the gammas, then you know each of the specific heat values individually.

How do I get the individual specific heat values from ##\gamma##? Knowing ##\gamma## only means I know the ratio of the two.
 
colinjohnstoe said:
How do I get the individual specific heat values from ##\gamma##? Knowing ##\gamma## only means I know the ratio of the two.
The diffence between the two is equal to R
 
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Chestermiller said:
The diffence between the two is equal to R

You are right! Thanks. That should solve the problem.
 
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