Speed of a bead turned through X degrees

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a bead on a circular wire as it moves through various angles. The key point of confusion is the calculation of potential energy, specifically the height (h) of the bead above the reference point. It is clarified that h is determined by the formula h = r - r * cos(θ), which accounts for the bead's vertical position relative to the bottom of the wire loop. The correct graphical representation is emphasized, showing that h is not simply r * cos(θ) but rather the difference from the original radius to find the height above the reference point. The logic of calculating height using this method is confirmed as accurate.
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A small bead is threaded on a smooth circular wire of radius r which is fixed in a vertical plane. The bead is projected from the lowest point of the wire with speed √6gr. FInd the speed of the bead when it has turned through: (a) 60°, (b) 90°, (c) 180°, (d) 300°.

Answers: (a) √5gr, (b) √4gr, (c) √2gr, (d) √5gr

2. The attempt at a solution
While this question is explained here, I do not understand one part. Why PE = m * g * h = m * g * (r - r * cos(θ)). Specifically h = r - r * cos(θ)? Why isn't it equal to just h = r cos 60°?

Taking this image (as I see the problem):
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We have φ = 60°. R is h and equals to r cos 60°, where r is the adjacent line to the angle. Why the correct height h is r - r cos 60° and not just r cos 60°?
 
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The potential energy is taken as zero when ##\phi=0## So you want h to be the height above the reference height zero. ##h - h_0 = ...##
 
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h is the vertical height of the bead above the bottom of the wire loop, as explained by BvU.
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Your picture indicates that the loop is rotating about the vertical axis with angular velocity ##\Omega##. But, apparently the problem wants you to assume the loop is not rotating.
 
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TSny said:
h is the vertical height of the bead above the bottom of the wire loop, as explained by BvU. Your picture indicates that the loop is rotating about the vertical axis with angular velocity ##\Omega##. But, apparently the problem wants you to assume the loop is not rotating.
What would be the correct graphical representation of the problem? Could you please give an example?

And with your image I think I got it. If we take two positions h = 0 at α = 0 and r = 10 cm (for example). When the bead moves to α = 60° the height is not 0, since the bead is in the air (if we take h = 0 as the moment when the bead is on the ground). In order to find h we need to subtract 10 cos 60° from the original radius, which is equal to 10. So h = 10 - 10 cos 60 = 5 cm. Is this the right logic?
 
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If we take two positions h = 0 at α = 0 and r = 10 cm (for example). When the bead moves to α = 60° the height is not 0, since the bead is in the air (if we take h = 0 as the moment when the bead is on the ground). In order to find h we need to subtract 10 cos 60° from the original radius, which is equal to 10. So h = 10 - 10 cos 60 = 5 cm. Is this the right logic?
Yes, that's right.
 
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