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A 1.50 kg block attached to a spring with a spring constant of 19.6 N/m is subjected to a constant horizontal force of 20 N, causing the spring to stretch. The discussion focuses on determining the block's speed when the spring is stretched 0.300 m, emphasizing the need to consider the work done by the applied force. Participants clarify that the total energy in the system includes both kinetic energy and elastic potential energy, and the correct approach involves using the work-energy theorem. It is highlighted that the displacement used in calculations should reflect the total stretch rather than just the given distance. Ultimately, the correct expression for energy is crucial for accurately solving for the block's speed.
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A 1.50 kg block is at rest on a table and is attached to a horizontal spring with a spring constant of 19.6 N/m. The spring is initially not stretched. A constant force of 20 N horizontal force is applied to the object causing the spring to stretch. Determine the speed of the block when it has stretched 0.300 m. Assume the table is frictionless.

The way I did it:

E = (mv^2)/2 + (kx^2)/2
1/2kA^2 = (mv^2)/2 + (kx^2)/2

Do I simply rearrange for speed?
 
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What about the 20 N force? Where does that come in?

(But considering energy is the right idea.)
 
Doc Al said:
What about the 20 N force? Where does that come in?

(But considering energy is the right idea.)

I use it to find the amplitude

F = -kx
20 = -kA
-A = 20/k

Negative sign can be omitted since amplitude is treated in a A/-A fashion.
 
Manni said:
I use it to find the amplitude

F = -kx
20 = -kA
-A = 20/k
No, that's not quite right. The force is continuously applied. Instead, consider the work done by that force.
 
Yes, you can rearrange for v. :D
 
Great, but when I did that I still got the wrong answer.

The answers I have to choose from are:

4.47 m/s, 70.6 m/s, 44.7 m/s, 2.61 m/s, and 8.96 m/s
 
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Another hint. You'll use this:
Manni said:
E = (mv^2)/2 + (kx^2)/2
But what's E? What's putting energy into this system?
 
what's your wrong answer? and what's the right one?
 
maCrobo said:
what's your wrong answer? and what's the right one?

I got 3.52 m/s, and it's not even offered as one of the choices.
 
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maCrobo said:
Yes, you can rearrange for v. :D
No you can't.
 
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Then, I'm getting curious. E = (mv^2)/2 + (kx^2)/2 can't he simply rearrange for v? O_O why?
 
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maCrobo said:
Then, I'm getting curious. E = (mv^2)/2 + (kx^2)/2 can't he simply rearrange for v? O_O why?
Before solving for v, you must first find the correct expression for the energy, E.
 
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Think about this: the spring and the mass can be thought as a system, then you apply a force F on it... so what happens to the energy?
 
  • #14
Work energy theorem seems like the simplest way to solve it.
 
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Oh, I got it!

You need to sub in (A-0.300) meters for x, and not 0.300 m!
 
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Manni said:
Oh, I got it!

You need to sub in (A-0.300) meters for x, and not 0.300 m!
:confused:

At the point in question, the displacement from equilibrium x is given as 0.300 m. (Forget about the amplitude; this is not SHM.)
 
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Elastic P.E + K.E = Total Energy = Work done when the mass travels 0.3m under a force whose magnitude is 20N
 
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