Spider free mount for secondary mirror

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The discussion centers on finding a spider-free mount for a secondary mirror to minimize diffraction in telescopes. Participants suggest exploring curved-arm spiders, which can reduce distinct diffraction spikes by spreading light across a larger area, thus improving visual clarity. The conversation also touches on the potential downsides of attaching a secondary mirror to an optical flat, which could decrease contrast due to additional air-glass surfaces. Alternatives like magnetic levitation or purchasing a catadioptric telescope are mentioned for those seeking different solutions. Overall, curved spider arms are favored for their ability to create a smoother diffraction pattern.
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Is there any kits i can purchase? I'd like to avoid diffraction as much as possible.
 
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The only alternative (except possibly magnetic leviation) would be to stick it on a sheet of plane glass.
 
mgb_phys said:
The only alternative (except possibly magnetic leviation) would be to stick it on a sheet of plane glass.

See, that's what i'd like to do, but where would i be able to purchase the rings to keep it in place?
 
Your best bet is to look into a spider with smoothly curved arms. If you fastened a secondary to an optical flat, you would introduce two more air-glass surfaces and decrease the contrast of your scope. Curve-arm spiders have been in use for many years.
 
turbo-1 said:
Your best bet is to look into a spider with smoothly curved arms. If you fastened a secondary to an optical flat, you would introduce two more air-glass surfaces and decrease the contrast of your scope. Curve-arm spiders have been in use for many years.

Ok, that makes sense turbo, I've purchased all the parts in order to make mine curved (hack saw blades via the scopemaking.net guide), i was just curious about pursuing this route.
 
What's the advantage of using a curved spider arm over a straight one?
 
tony873004 said:
What's the advantage of using a curved spider arm over a straight one?

The difraction spikes instead of being distinct crosses around each star will be smeared out. Since each point in the spider will create a weaker diffraction spike at a different rotation angle.

Overall it's poorer signal to noise, but it looks clearer for naked eye observations.
 
Curved arms would spread the diffracted light through different angles (i.e. a larger area), making it fainter. A straight edge "bends" the light in one direction only, hence the bright, directional diffraction spikes that are common with straight-edge spiders.
 
mgb_phys said:
The only alternative (except possibly magnetic leviation) would be to stick it on a sheet of plane glass.

Or sell your current telescope and buy a Catadioptric telescope which has a weak, correcting front lens on which the secondary is mounted.
 
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I've been intrigued by off axis mirror designs for a number of years. They are capable of views rivaling, or even surpassing the finest refractors. Unfortunately they are difficult to make and have existed only among the ranks of the most ambitious and gifted amateur telescope makers until fairly recently Some commercial models are now available - e.g., http://users.erols.com/dgmoptics/indexwelcome
 

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