Sponaneous Combustion: What Is It & Does It Kill?

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Spontaneous combustion is a phenomenon where materials ignite without an external flame, often due to heat buildup from microbial fermentation or auto-oxidation. The discussion highlights experiences with compost piles, where heat from decomposing organic matter can lead to smoke and even flames, as observed with sheep manure and lawn clippings. Barn fires in agricultural areas have been attributed to the spontaneous combustion of green hay bales, raising questions about the fermentation process and its ability to generate heat while still allowing some microbes to survive. The conversation also touches on spontaneous human combustion, noting that cases often involve non-mobile individuals and a nearby source of fire. The combustion of organic materials, including humans, is linked to their composition of sugars and fatty acids, which can release energy through oxidation. Overall, the thread explores the mechanisms and real-life observations of spontaneous combustion in both organic matter and potentially in humans.
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What is spontaneous combudtion? does it kill? And, what does it look like?
 
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My grandfather was an avid gardner. I remember him making a huge pile of compost from sheep manure, straw and lawn clippings. I was conscripted into gardening duty one summer day, assigned to spread compost around the melon mounds. After removing a few pitch forks from the mound, smoke emanated from the cavity. I then observed a dry leaf burst into flames when it fell into the smoking cavity. In the farm belt, barn fires have been blamed on spontaneous combustion of green hay bales. In theory, fermentation is the cause of the heat build up. It is a controversial theory because the same heat would kill the responsible microbes. But I have seen it, hence believe it possible.
 
Linseed oil, alkyd enamel resins, and some drying oils can ignite spontaneously due to auto-oxidation {just being exposed to air}.
When I was in high school art class a linseed oil soaked rag was tossed in the waste basket, a few hours later it went up in flames.
 
when i saw the original post, i thought of spontaneous human combustion..

keep in mind that a human being (and most animals for that matter), being composed of sugars and fatty acids, are combustable. Ever observed a grease fire while grilling? The net oxidation of glucose down to CO2 is a highly exothermic process, releasing a great deal of energy in the form of heat. It is only because we have very specialized enzymatic pathways in our cells that this reaction proceeds in little steps at a time, so that the energy can be harvested and the process regulated. Likewise for the beta-oxidation of fatty acids.

It has since been noticed that cases of human combustion all had several variables in common: people who were non-mobile (usually older or disabled individuals) and a source of fire.
 
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Chronos said:
In the farm belt, barn fires have been blamed on spontaneous combustion of green hay bales. In theory, fermentation is the cause of the heat build up. It is a controversial theory because the same heat would kill the responsible microbes. But I have seen it, hence believe it possible.
Very cool story.

Fermentation would mean that alcohol would have been produced wouldn't it? I wouldn't think this would take place in the whole mass of hay at once. While some microbes die soon, others would still be generating heat at the periphery.
 
I have experienced the compost mound phenomena too when I was a kid! My dad actually cooked an egg in there, but there were no sheep droppings, so don't give me that disgusted look! :P
 
I hope this returns what I intended it to.

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