Spontaneous Expansion of Gas into Evacuated Container: Thermodynamic Analysis

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In the discussion on the spontaneous expansion of gas into an evacuated container, participants analyze the thermodynamic changes involved. They debate whether the process can be considered isothermal, with initial assumptions suggesting that delta T, delta E, and q are zero, while delta H is negative and delta S is positive. The reasoning behind delta H being negative is questioned, with some suggesting it could be positive due to the heat required for expansion. Ultimately, it is concluded that if the gas behaves ideally, delta E would be zero, reinforcing the idea that delta H could also be zero. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the thermodynamic definitions and assumptions in analyzing gas behavior in such scenarios.
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Homework Statement


A gas spontaneously expands into an evacuated container. Indicate whether delta T, delta E, delta H, delta S, q, w, and delta G are positive, negative, or zero.


Homework Equations


delta G < 0 (spontaneous)
delta G= delta H - TdeltaS
delta E= q + w
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The Attempt at a Solution


delta T: 0? (Is it wrong to assume this is an isothermal reaction?)
delta E: 0
delta H: -
delta S: +
q: 0
w: 0
delta G: -
Am I correct? And what difference does it make that it is in an evacuated container?
 
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It's not the best approach to assume this is an isothermal process. Can you show that's it's an isothermal process, by assuming ideality and using what you know about the change in energy?

What's your reasoning behind delta H being negative?
 
Hmm. If the gas is considered ideal, delta E would be zero. Since the internal E depends on T, we can assume that this is an isothermal reaction?

Should delta H be + because added heat is needed to make the gas expand?
 
coookiemonste said:
Hmm. If the gas is considered ideal, delta E would be zero. Since the internal E depends on T, we can assume that this is an isothermal reaction?

Agreed.

coookiemonste said:
Should delta H be + because added heat is needed to make the gas expand?

How is enthalpy defined?
 
Enthalpy is equal to the internal Energy + PV. So is delta H=0?
 
Yep.
 
thank you!
 
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