Spring Constant Due to 2 Charges

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The problem involves a tiny sphere with a positive charge attached to a spring, influenced by two negatively charged spheres. The spring stretches due to the electrostatic forces between the charges, and the goal is to determine the spring constant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the net force acting on the spring due to the two charges, with varying interpretations of the force components and the resulting spring constant.

Discussion Status

Multiple calculations of the spring constant have been presented, with some participants questioning the accuracy of their results and others suggesting simpler approaches to the problem. There is no explicit consensus on the correct value of the spring constant, but productive dialogue is occurring around the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific values for charges and distances, and there is mention of potential errors in vector calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of approaches to applying Coulomb's law and the spring force equation.

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Homework Statement



A tiny sphere with a charge of q = +6.1 µC is attached to a spring. Two other tiny charged spheres, each with a charge of -4.0 µC, are placed in the positions shown in the figure, in which b = 3.6 cm. The spring stretches 5.0 cm from its previous equilibrium position toward the two spheres. Calculate the spring constant.

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Homework Equations



Coulomb's law:
F = Kq1q2/r^2

Spring Constant:
F = kx

The Attempt at a Solution



I determine the net force due to to the individual force caused by F1 and F2:

F1 = kq1q2/r^2 * < cos(a), -sin(a) >
F2 = kq1q2/r^2 * < -cos(a), -sin(a) >

Fnet = F1 + F2

Where q1 = 4E-6 C, q2 = 6.1E-6 C, r = .0412 m ( by Pythagorean theorem) , a = 61 degrees

Fnet = < 0, -3.8E-1 >
||Fnet|| = 3.8E-1 N ; This is force due to the two charges pulling down on the spring.

F = kx
Sub in values:

3.8E-1 = k*(.036) ===> k = 11

The spring constant is 11 N/m ?
 

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for Fnet = < 0, -3.8E-1 >

are you sure that this is correct?

Edit: because each time I do the calculations I get like > 100 N or about that
 
Yeah, I get kq1q2/r^2 for one of the spheres to be 129.48N, then the vertical component is 129.48*sin(61) = 113.2N

Then 2 of them so 2*113.2N = 226.5N

226.5N = kx
226.5N = k(0.05m)

k = 4530N/m ?
 
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learningphysics said:
Yeah, I get kq1q2/r^2 for one of the spheres to be 129.48N, then the vertical component is 129.48*sin(61) = 113.2N

Then 2 of them so 2*113.2N = 226.5N

226.5N = kx
226.5N = k(0.05m)

k = 4530N/m ?

Thanks. You're absolutely right. I was making it more complicated than it was with the vectors which should of gotten me the right answer but I goofed up. The net force pulling the spring down is simply a vector pointing straight down. Here's what I was thinking:

kq1q2/r^2 * [ <cos(a), -sin(a)> + <-cos(a), -sin(a)>]
= kq1q2/r^2 * <0, -2sin(a)>
<0, -226.5 >

Take the magnitude of that vector to find k:

226.5 = k ( 0.05 m ) ==> k = 4530 N/m

Thank you again.
 
hey,
what book you are using?
 
rootX said:
hey,
what book you are using?

College Physics

Giambattista
Richardson
Richardson
 
thanks.
 

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