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Homework Help: Statics and equilibrium - asking for some guidance

  1. Oct 12, 2018 at 8:56 AM #1
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    Hi,

    I'm not used to communicate physics in English, so my language may be a bit off.

    This task is fairly simplistic. It's a figure which is held up in points A and B (both having an x and y force exerted on them), and the figure has a joint C. It is depicted in attached files.

    The answers are supposed to be F_A = 13,00 kN, F_B = 7,85 kN, F_C = 9,88 kN.

    My results are erroneous.

    Can anyone please give me some guidance?

    Here's my process:

    I separate A-C from B-C and get C with internal forces with equally large opposing forces.

    Figure A-C:

    Sigma M_A (clockwise is +) = 0

    5*2 + 10*2 - 4*C_Ay + 4*C_Ax = 0

    => 30 - 4C_Ay + 4C_Ax = 0, this is (1)

    Figure B-C:

    Sigma M_B (clockwise is +) = 0

    (- cos(arctan(3/4)) * 12 * 2,5) - (sin(arctan(3/4)) * 12 * (tan(arctan(3/4)) * 2,5)) - C_Bx * 3 - C_By *4 = 0

    - 37,5 - 3C_Bx - 4 C_By = 0, this is (2)


    I find an expression for one of the missing values, and put this in the other formula.

    And my result is wrong. Always wrong for these tasks. I must do some fundamental error. Any help will be appriciated.


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  3. Oct 12, 2018 at 12:13 PM #2

    Stephen Tashi

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    Why are you using negative signs in front of C_Bx and C_By?

    Isn't the positive x-direction to the right and the positive y-direction upward?
     
  4. Oct 13, 2018 at 7:26 AM #3
    Because C has internal forces and I assumed direction. Both of which work against momentum. On the other figure there's opposite forces in C. Or am I wrong?
     
  5. Oct 13, 2018 at 10:22 AM #4

    Stephen Tashi

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    There are various ways to treat signs. If your mathematics is completely consistent then a variable representing an unknown force can be given the "wrong" sign and when you obtain it's value, it will be a negative number. The simplest way to be consistent is to give forces pointing in the positive x or y direction a "+" sign.

    How are you doing that? Are you setting C_Ax = C_Bx or are you setting C_Ax = - C_Bx ?
     
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