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Homework Help: Statics problem

  1. Jan 9, 2006 #1

    Mo

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    I am having a bit of trouble solving statics problems. its actually only 1 issue. I can do the trig and rest.

    The question , like the one below...

    http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5403/q10lq.th.gif [Broken]

    ...usually asks to find the tension in one of the strings.In this case they asked for the tension in AC.

    My question is, what do i take as the hypotenuse?

    Do i take the weight as the hypotenuse or do i take the tension as the hypotenuse?

    Below is how i have attempted to solve the question.

    http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2118/a15kz.th.gif [Broken]

    However, taking the weight as the 'opposite', i get T = 3g / sin 30
    Where as if i was taking the hypotenuse as the weight, then the answer would be correct. (14.7 N)

    Am i drawing the diagram correctly? I am inserting the angles correctly?

    I asked my teacher this question, and he said that you usually take the weight as the hypotenuse - however, he said this concerning mass-on-an -inclined-plane type questions, not these types of questions.

    This is probably the only thing that will bring me down on my mechanics paper :frown: , so i would be very happy to solve this once and for all.

    Thanks.

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  3. Jan 9, 2006 #2

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    Can't see the image and the link doesnt work.
     
  4. Jan 9, 2006 #3

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    The only thing to be sure of in Statics is that the Sum Force Vectors is equal to zero (= m a_vector) ! You add Vectors by placing them (sequentially) tail-to-tip, keeping each one parallel to its Free-Body-Diagram arrow .... a polygon will be formed.
    In the case of three Force vectors, the polygon will be a triangle, but NOT always a Right triangle, so a lot of the time NONE of the Forces are a hypotenuse.
     
  5. Jan 9, 2006 #4
    This is a two unknown problem so you need two equations.

    I would use the strings as the hypotenuses and T1(AC) & T2(BC) as their respective tensions.

    So, T1cos30 has to equal T2cos60 to cancel x forces Eq.1
    And T1sin30 + T2sin60 = mg Eq.2

    T1 = 0.577 T2 & 0.5T1 + 0.866T2 = 29.4N

    So from Eq.1, T1 = 0.577T2, and plug & chug to get

    T1 = 13.16N & T2 = 25.45N

    I think..
     
  6. Jan 10, 2006 #5

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    If you draw the Force Addition Polygon, you see that In this case,
    the two Tensions are the legs of a right triangle, with 29.4 N hypotenuse.
    T_CA = 29.4 N sin(30) , and T_CB = 29.4 sin(60) .

    In more typical situations, you obtain horizontal and vertical components of each Diagonal Force by treating it as the hypotenuse of a right triangle.
     

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  7. Jan 10, 2006 #6

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    Thanks for your reply.Thing is the answer is given in the question. It says, "show that tension of AC is 14.7N". So it can't be 29.4N, unless i have misunderstood your post :confused:
     
  8. Jan 10, 2006 #7

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    The way it works is that you :
    1) draw the Free-Body-Diagram
    2) Draw the Force Polygon
    . . . if the solution is not obvious yet, choose coordinate axes
    3) separate each Force into components along the axes, and
    4) sum the Force components separately.

    Step 2 was what I drew for you, you should know some trig !

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    Multiply by sin(30) !

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  9. Jan 10, 2006 #8

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    :blushing: I can see now! In my defence i have been travelling all day :zzz: . Thanks for your help. I will put this into practice with a few other questions and if i have any further queries, i will repost!

    Once again, thanks :smile:

    ps: damn, i didnt even read your reply correctly, i shouldve noticed the
    T_CA = 29.4 N sin(30) !
     
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