Statistical mechanics problem about a paramagnet

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The discussion revolves around a statistical mechanics problem concerning a paramagnet, specifically focusing on the effective magnetic field and its self-consistency in relation to temperature and other parameters.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of equations for the effective magnetic field, particularly in parts c and d of the problem. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of a self-consistency equation and how to approach solving it numerically. Questions arise regarding the treatment of terms in the equations and assumptions about the limits of the effective field.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and corrections to each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions that can be made about the effective magnetic field, while others are exploring different interpretations of the problem's requirements. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach to part d.

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Participants note specific assumptions, such as the smallness of the effective field compared to thermal energy and the approximation of temperature ratios. There is also mention of expected forms of the solution that participants are trying to reconcile with their findings.

Clara Chung
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I don't know how to solve part c and d.
Attempt:
c) B_eff=B+e<M>
Substitute T_c into the equation in part b,
=> (B_eff-B)/e = Nμ_B tanh(B_eff/(N*e*μ_B))
Then?
Thank you.
 
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Could you show what you got for part b?
 
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DrClaude said:
Could you show what you got for part b?
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I just rewrite the equation I found on part A to an equation containing B_eff only... is it what a self-consistency equation mean?...
 
Clara Chung said:
is it what a self-consistency equation mean?...
A self-consistency equation for ##B_\textrm{eff}## means that you get an equation for ##B_\textrm{eff}## that depends on itself. You could solve it numerically by guessing the value of ##B_\textrm{eff}## in the hyperbolic tangent, then calculating ##B_\textrm{eff}## on the left-hand side, and iterate until the value of ##B_\textrm{eff}## doesn't change anymore.

Your equation for (b) is correct. For (c), I think you can assume that ##B_\textrm{eff}## is small or, more properly
$$
\mu_\mathrm{B} B_\textrm{eff} \ll k T
$$
 
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DrClaude said:
A self-consistency equation for ##B_\textrm{eff}## means that you get an equation for ##B_\textrm{eff}## that depends on itself. You could solve it numerically by guessing the value of ##B_\textrm{eff}## in the hyperbolic tangent, then calculating ##B_\textrm{eff}## on the left-hand side, and iterate until the value of ##B_\textrm{eff}## doesn't change anymore.

Your equation for (b) is correct. For (c), I think you can assume that ##B_\textrm{eff}## is small or, more properly
$$
\mu_\mathrm{B} B_\textrm{eff} \ll k T
$$
I did part c using your hint
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However in part d), how to deal with the cube term T^3/T_c^3?
 
Clara Chung said:
I did part c using your hint
You didn't get the expected answer, which is given in the question. There is no need to keep the cubic terms.
 
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DrClaude said:
You didn't get the expected answer, which is given in the question. There is no need to keep the cubic terms.
Thank you, the answer I displayed above is for part d. The (T/T_C)^3 in the last line should be (T/T_C)^3/2. The expect term have no factor (T/T_C)^3/2, but there is one in my expression...
 
Above, you wrote
$$
B_\textrm{eff} = e N \mu_\mathrm{B} \left( \frac{B_\textrm{eff} \mu_\mathrm{B}}{kT} - \frac{B_\textrm{eff}^3 \mu_\mathrm{B}^3}{3 k^3T^3} \right)
$$
which means you took
$$
\tanh(x) \approx x - \frac{1}{3} x^3
$$
Try instead ##\tanh(x) \approx x##.
 
DrClaude said:
Above, you wrote
$$
B_\textrm{eff} = e N \mu_\mathrm{B} \left( \frac{B_\textrm{eff} \mu_\mathrm{B}}{kT} - \frac{B_\textrm{eff}^3 \mu_\mathrm{B}^3}{3 k^3T^3} \right)
$$
which means you took
$$
\tanh(x) \approx x - \frac{1}{3} x^3
$$
Try instead ##\tanh(x) \approx x##.
However, in part d the question says expand it to 3rd order?
 
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Clara Chung said:
However, in part d the question says expand it to 3rd order?
Sorry, I was looking at part (c). The solution to (d) is not obvious to me, I'll have to think a bit.
 
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In post #5, on the last line, you made an error when taking the square root.

To get the equation given in the problem, I had to assume also that ##T/T_C \approx 1##, as stated in the problem.
 
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